| Date |
Planning and other notable
actions |
Comments and results |
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There seems to be many things said about
the planning approvals and building of Phoenix House - not all of which are true!
The following is a correct statement of the various approvals and other
actions! If you hear anything different then it probably is not correct! |
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| May 1994 |
- Peter & Roseanne Bailey (the then owners of Westhill House) apply
for planning permission to extend Stable Courtyard. The plans are prepared by
Michael Peach in May 1994. Interestingly for our local readers the slope is not
shown on the drawings - it is not uncommon then?
- The plans show a complex multi-roofed house of quite complex design
and surfaces of brick, render, timber and boarding.
- On the ground floor there is a Sitting Room, Dining Room,
Kitchen, Study, Cloakroom, stairs to first floor and across the south elevation is a
Conservatory and terrace area
- There is a glazed link to the ground floor stable of Stable Bungalow.
- At first floor level there are 3 Bedrooms (2 ensuite) on the south
with a fourth to the north. There is a large first floor landing which has a glazed link
across to Stable Bungalow and north to the road via a walkway.
- The extension is some 4200 sq ft and extends a considerable way
south.
- A raised terrace is a feature of this approved house design.
 
- No objections were received, however Lt Col Thwaites of Bay Tree
Cottage did write to say "Taken in
isolation I have no objection to the plan as it stands ....but would ask that two matters
be taken into account.....1) the line of trees along the lane to remain intact......2)
further development of the site should be resisted"
- When the plans were approved no such restrictions were made!
- The officers comments were
"Although this is a large extension, its impact on the surrounding are
will not, in the officers opinion, have a significant impact on the AONB. Th design of the
extension is considered appropriate. The proposal will involve the loss of 1 tree
and 3 shrubs but that is not considered significant"
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- The plans were received by Malvern Hills District Council on 1 June
1994
- Approval and listed building consent was given on 4 August 1994
- There were no objections to the proposed extension!
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| Nov 1994 |
- Peter & Roseanne Bailey apply for planning permission to
convert the ground floor stables and stable flat over to guest suites in conjunction with
the approved Stable Bungalow extension (MH94/0659).
- Perhaps the most interesting feature for our neighbours are the 2
windows in the south elevation.
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- The plans were received by Malvern Hills District Council on 22
November 1994
- Approval was given on 24 January 1995
- We know of no objections to the proposed plans!
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| 1995 |
- Peter & Roseanne Bailey appoint John Goodwin to sell a
building plot with detailed planning consent for "a spacious and interesting 5
bedroom 4 bathrooms and 3 reception rooms together with 2 independent guest suites".
- Graham & Sue Wood see the site for the first time in late
September 1995.
- In October John Goodwin arranges to have all the right people
together on site for us to seriously talk. After extensive surveys etc Graham & Sue
decide to put in an offer.
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- On 6 December we make an offer
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| 1996 |
- February sees us making a revised offer based on new Vat information.
- At the end of March we are back in discussion with our final offer
being accepted.
- Transfer is completed during July.
- In September we have various works - additional heating and
decoration etc undertaken to make the property more lettable whilst we decide what we want
to do on the building site.
- We spend many weekends at the neighbouring B&B at Hill Farm
as we have these works done.
- After some investigation we award the design work to the Architects
Four Square Design of Lambourn Berkshire who are members of the Association of Self Build
Architects, ASBA. Their work is well respected and in sympathy with local styles and
materials.
- All the partners of Four Square Design visit our site and discuss our
requirements. Our brief is to design a less complex house of about 3500 sq ft which blends
harmoniously in the existing buildings.
- After receiving their initial ideas we like the concept sketches of
Howard Waters who then goes on to produce the final design to be submitted for planning
approval.
- In early December we meet on site with the Planners from Malvern
Hills District Council. They immediately note that the style of the extension is that of C
F Voisey, a very well respected and known Arts and Crafts Movement architect form the
early 1900's. His work is part of the study program of all architects during their
training. Infact there are are several examples of Voisey's work in the Malvern area so
our house is well in keeping with local styles!
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- On 19 July 1995 we own the building site
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| 1997 |
- As the original sketches develop we show them to Roseanne and Peter
Bailey as required by our purchase conditions. After gaining their approval we
decide to talk to the local people in the Westhill area and show them our plans. In
particular we meet with our immediate neighbours David and Lorraine Williams. We
travel down from Maidenhead to meet with them and show them our proposed designs. We have
no immediate reactions so we leave them with copies of our proposals. We ask them to
let us know if there is anything they are unhappy about. It could be that we may
like their suggestions and will incorporate them into our actual planning application.
- Having had no comments from any of the people we have shown our plans
to, we formally apply for planning approval.
- The Saturday before the Monday Planning Committee meeting we meet
with the Williams's for lunch at the Farmers Arms at Wellington Heath. We have a
pleasant lunch and talk about our keenness to move to Ledbury. We ask if there are
any problems and they comment that they do not have any.
- In the late afternoon on the Monday just as the Malvern Hills
Planning Committee is about to sit we hear from Duncan Mathewson at Four Square Design.
Apparently our request for our planning application to be titled as a separate
dwelling is no longer acceptable. It appears someone locally has been in touch with the
Planners! We are forced to accept a change of title. During the Planning
Committee meeting it appears that the Williams's have been in correspondence with the
Planning Department. They have some concerns about privacy and request certain
measures. In addition just before the Committee meets we are told that they inform
the Planners that they do not believe due investigation has been made.
- At the Planning Committee (which we do not attend as we were not
expecting any difficulties having talked with local residents) it is agreed that subject
to satisfying our neighbours objections the application may be passed under delegated
powers
- The Planners, after meeting with the Williams and considering their
comments, pass our plans unchanged from those submitted.
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- MHDC pass our plans on 7 Oct 1997.
- They are unchanged from those submitted on 19 May 1997
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| 1998 |
- As the planning approval is now for an extension rather than a
dwelling and the fact that we have a no separate occupancy clause in our planning approval
we have a VAT problem that requires addressing. We have two options 1) to request
for the separate occupancy clause to be removed or 2) to actually make our approved plans
an actual extension, ie one can walk from the original to the new building
without effectively going outside. Given a potential problem with the first option
we task our Architects to come up with plan for the second!
- Howard Waters provides us with an alternative of having a glazed link
between the two buildings. Armed with this we make an appointment to meet with MHDC
Planning Dept. We immediately state our problem. MHDC is reluctant
to remove to the separate occupancy condition but is more than willing to accept a glazed
link between the two building - it is passed under delegated powers. This
amendment does now define the relative height of the slab level and of course the relative
height of the building! This may change the relative roof lines,
slab level, associations of the original planning approval! !
- With all the planning approvals in place Four Square Design work from
the approved planning sketches to full working drawings.
- Meanwhile we confirm the construct method of our house as timber
frame and seek tenders. We are impressed with the potential of Masonite I beams and
eventually confirm their use and also that Oregon Timber Frames will supply the house.
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- We submit an amended planning application on 2 Sep 1998
- The glazed link is approved under delegated powers on 18 Sep 1998
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| 1999 |
- We advise the Planning Dept of the slab level of our
extension as 17.315m (relative to a 20m datum in the lane as required by our planning
conditions. It is approved.
- We start to plan the building of our extension for just after
Easter.
- After a few problems our building works are underway.
- We place our Maidenhead house on the market and move into 1 Stable
Courtyard.
- All goes very well and then in September we have an enforcement
officer arrive on site with Michelle Gallego. It appears that a local complainant thinks
that our house is higher than in the original approved plans. This is a surprise to
us as the working drawings were taken from the approved planning drawings and the timber
frame drawings are exactly in line with the timber frame manufacturer. The house is
measured and we double check the dimension - we are within inches of the height when it is
scaled from the approved planning drawings. Considering the house construction is far from
complete and the soil to the south elevation not yet replaced it is not perhaps surprising
that the house looks high. The fact that the grey 'foundation blocks' are still in
evidence should indicate that the works are not complete.
- Not surprisingly as any architect/planner/builder knows when one
moves from planning sketches to working drawings to actual construction a few minor
changes occur. Normally these do not give any cause for concern and certainly do
not worry a council planning department.
- For the record the 1997 dpm/roof ridge dimension is 8.4m and the
actual as built, again dpm/roof ridge, according to both the approved minor amendment
drawings and actual measurement is 8.65m. There are 110 brick layers + the sofit
boards (equivalent to 4 bricks) @ a gauge of 10 layers equalling 760mm, ie 114*0.76 =
8.65m. This difference of 250mm against the approved 8400mm is 3%!!! This as any
architect/planner /builder knows is well within accepted tolerance. The overall
length on the 97 approved planning drawings is 24.8m compared to an as built dimension of
25.4m, ie a difference of 0.6m. This is 2.4% longer! Again within accepted
tolerances. This is caused simply by building to actual brick lengths!
- We ask our architects to mark up a set of drawing with these minor
amendments. Naturally some may appear in more than one view, but are only mentioned once.
The full list is as follows:
North Elevation
- all windows are changed to rectangular to match those on the south
elevation.
- two Velux windows have been introduced in the north roof.
- the front door is marginally different.
- the hallway triangular window now has a triangular pointed leaded
roof to match other leadwork.
- the glazed link roof line is different to facilitate building.
South Elevation
- A small window on the first floor south elevation for the internal
stairs has been added.
- the second floor window has a minor dimension change.
- the hallway window now has glazing bars in the top similar with those
in the window above.
- bed 2 and the west first floor living room window are no longer full
length.
- bed 3 and the east first floor living room window adjacent to the
French doors are no longer full length.
- the roof dormer windows are wider apart to prevent water
problems.
- the conservatory roof windows are larger to facilitate the roof
beams.
- the south gable rendering is changed in shape to suit the actual
brickwork.
- the dining room window has changed from 4 to 5 lights.
- minor differences to the guttering line have occurred as the building
progressed from planning sketches to an actual building.
- there are now 2 steps down on to the paved areas.
- the roof finials are different - the architects original choice are
no longer made!
The following
illustration or spot the difference comparison illustrates the exceptionally minor
variations - how many
can you spot?

East Elevation
- the utility and hallway patio door is different.
- the bin store lintel has been raised (a builders error!)
- a slope has been incorporated to the new patio level for wheel
chairs.
West Elevation
- a small first floor hallway window has been added.
- the conservatory windows have minor dimensional changes.
Ground Floor Plan
- the bed 1 north/south dimension is now marginally larger to
facilitate ease of building - again a progression form planning sketches to actual
building.
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| 2000 |
- In February we receive a letter for the Chief Planning Officer
telling us that although one corner of the floor slab may be at the correct height the
other three may not be correct. As the house is built on a level slab this is
a little odd! Later it is agreed that this is wrong!
- We meet with the Chief Planning Officer and his team. It is a
very constructive and helpful meeting. They concur with us about many of the comments
about our house. The agree with us that the house is built at the right level, to
the right height and in the right place exactly as per our original planning approval.
- Normally differences as minor as these would not be of concern,
however, given the letters from our local complainants the Chief Planning Officer would
like to process these minor amendments through the Planning Committee. We agree so
that everyone can comment and the matter can be closed.
- The Planning Department report states:
| 5.1 |
"The development has been carried out
without strict observance to the plans. The submitted plans now under
consideration detail the building as constructed". |
| 5.2 |
"There are numerous very minor
changes, principally to the detailed design of door and window openings. These
have no adverse effect on the quality of design, the impact on the landscape or on the
amenity of other properties. There is no reason to believe that the decision on the
application would have been different had these details been in the scheme as
submitted. Accordingly, the scheme is considered satisfactory". |
| 5.3 |
"Much of the complaint against this
development relates to permission having been granted at all and that apparently the
works are significantly higher than original plans indicated. An
extensive survey has been undertaken which has established that the
floor level of the building and the overall height of the building is as
approved. The anomaly in terms of the difference in floor level to ground
level rests in the original scheme indicating contours that fitted the proposal.
Clearly, this was not the case and the applicants propose a raised terrace to complete the
development. The applicants have been advised that due to the scale of the works to
create this raised terrace the proposal should be subject of an application. It is
anticipated this application will be submitted shortly. Neighbours have been advised that
the Planning Authority has requested an application for the terrace and that should
an application be received they will be notified". |
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RECOMMENDATION "That the applicant be advised the
amended plans are satisfactory" |
- After the Planning Report is published advising acceptance of our
minor amendments and prior to the Planning Committee meeting a 14 page document is
sent to all the councillors on the Planning Committee. The key points seem to be:
| Complainant comments |
Our comment |
| The walkway width is increased from 1.15m to
1.5m |
This was increased to allow for potential
wheelchair access and is in line with published data. |
| Privacy is affected because of the increase in
walkway width. |
Privacy cannot be affected by the width of the
walkway. From May trough to September our neighbours patio area is hidden by the
trees.shrubs on our property. Only the top 300mm or so of their glazed kitchen
(which fronts our property) can be seen from one particular position on the walkway.
We note that the net curtains which were always across the window have not been pulled for
some while. |
| Width of the property on the approved plans is
24.8m whereas the as built dimension is 25.3m |
This difference of 0.5m (a 2.4% increase) arose
as the architects drew the working drawings in brick modules. To work in full brick
modules is standard practice. It makes no difference to the perceived length of the
building . |
| The height of the building is some 600mm higher
than that approved. In addition the ridge height is now above that of the garage. |
The actual as built height of the house is 250mm
higher than the 97 planning approval. This 3% increase is well within accepted building
tolerances. There is no planning condition
(unlike the 94 approval) for the house ridge to be below the garage ridge With the
Sept 98 amendment to make our house a true extension there was a minor change in
levels. From any local vantage point this 250mm additional height cannot be
perceived. |
| Dormer ridge is substantially higher than the
garage ridge. |
The approved plans also show this. |
| The foreseen raised patio will have a large
(2m+) vertical impact. |
The submitted plans show a max 1.2m with the
soil raised up and with shrubs planted. |
| The as built house is 4 storeys. |
The house as approved and built is 2 storeys.
Bed 4 is within the roof structure just like the planning approval. As yet, the soil
removed during the groundworks (seen quite clearly as a mound on site) has not been
replaced. The 97 approved plans show a slope down to the actual hill ground level. The 97 drawing submission did include a site survey showing contour
lines. |
| The first floor 'floor' level is level with the
road whereas the 'as built' level equal to the road level. |
Incorrect, The slope down to the first floor
level is clearly visible from the road now that the walkway has been built. |
Terrace Planning Application
- An amended planning application detailing the terrace/patio area with
a retaining wall averaging 1.2m height was submitted on 26 May A drawing showing the
inter-relationships between the original 94 approval with its terrace, the revised 97
approval with paved areas and pond, the approved garden plan and our proposed scheme is
included to help everyone to understand our proposal.
- As there is a backlog in Planning we are asked if we would accept a
delay - we accept to allow sufficient time for local comment. It will now go before
the planning committee on 9 August.
- Hereford Council have now posted the yellow planning notice on our
garage wall.
- Ledbury Council come along to us for a site visit - after reviewing
our planning application they vote unanimously in favour - in fact they comment that
Ledbury needs more houses like ours and they cannot see any problems with our application
whatsoever!
- Various comments and letters are being handed in to the Herefordshire
Planning Dept - we regularly visit and take copies - yet again there is mis-information
and in some cases there are letters with the very similar wording!!
- Kevin Bishop (Planning Officer) comes out to review our planning
application and the various comments being made. He makes a very thorough
assessment. Sue meets with him and discusses points in our planning statement.
We explain that the works above ground that we have recently had carried out are in
accordance with our previous planning permissions. We point out that the foundations
to our proposed works have been completed but can easily be covered over.
- Just before the Planning meeting we receive the Committee report
which states that having taken into account the various representations (including
the AONB. Officers report - para 4.3 - that the impact of the terrace on the landscape and
Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty is minimal in view of the overall impact that the
building already produces) it is considered that there is no substantial reason reason to
refuse the application. All other matters raised having been taken into account, they are
not considered sufficient to refuse the application
- Our professional planning consultant advises us to sit tight, despite
continued mis-representations, as the report recommends approval - we concur with his
recommendation
- On Wednesday 9 August we attend the Planning Committee meeting.
The Planning Officer gives the briefing to the committee members.
Councillor Rule is first to speak - he raises several points including too high,
too long, the slab level is wrong (but it is right!), immediate
surroundings will be affected, yet again the building is 2ft higher than the 97 planning
approval, (but it is not!) a water tank as large as the committee
room has been installed (actually it is 2.6m dia with about 1.6m protruding above
ground), the raised pond gives a height problem, and a site visit is necessary!
Oh, and our terrace/house can be seen by anyone coming into Ledbury from the Hereford Road
- interesting, seeing that this view from the west is blocked by a
hill! Mr Poole confirms the slab level and height are not in question!
Councillor Woodford wants a site meeting and comments that our house will always be
Malvern Hills folly. Actually we were as surprised as anyone that planning permission was
given in the first place, but it was, and to keep on saying it should not have been
granted is totally irrelevant! Another councillor comments that complaining about the
terrace now is like moving deckchairs on the Titanic and proposes acceptance. Things
are a little confused as apparently there is a site meeting proposal also on record.
The legal adviser reminds the committee of the rules/reasons for site
visits. A vote is taken and our application is passed .
- Our Planning Approval requires us to agree certain points prior to
commencing work. Some of these, eg the design of the balustrade would be best left
until the terrace is actually completed so that we can make sure that the features are
best for the house. We advise the Planning Dept that we will be proceeding on this
basis and continue with the construction activities.
- The Planning Dept request us to provide more detailed data on the
slope and sections where the terrace wall meets the slope. We advise them that the
approved planning drawings are more than adequate and we will not be submitting any more
drawings. Nothing further is heard.
- With the terrace completed we advise the Planning Dept of our
thoughts on the balustrade etc.
- After a little while we have heard nothing so we advise them that we
are placing the order for the balustrade work.
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- Planning approval was given on 26 May. It was an long debate
often talking about irrelevant matters such as whether the 1994 planning approval should
have been given
- The matter before them was to debate the minor amendments
- No comments about the actual minor amendments as far as we are aware
were made by any complaint
- There was no discussion on these points
- Eventually by 12 votes to 3 approval was given
- when the vote is taken it is a majority by something like 12 to 2
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| 2001 |
- As the balustrade is being temporally fitted, Kevin Bishop (Planning
Officer - and very familiar with our house!) calls by. He sees the balustrade and
confirms that he has no problems. In due course a confirming letter arrives.
- In August we start to draw up the plans for the replacement of the
gates to Stable Courtyard. They are rotten and becoming dangerous. We will
have to seek formal planning approval. What will the neighbours do
now..................?
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