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John Leeson
Why did you decide to become an actor?
Nobody in their right minds goes into the acting profession! Acting is
something that one should only engage in if one feels compelled to do
so. They call it a 'bug', and they're right. It is a kind of virus
which doesn't respond to any of the usual antibiotics. But having said
all that, the demanding job of an actor provides the kind of 'buzz' that
NOTHING else in the world can...not even bungee jumping or aircraft
wing-walking! I suppose in my youth I opted for the 'buzz' alone and
let the plentiful disadvantages and periods of unemployment look after
themselves.
Who were/ are your major influences?
Alec Guinness, Ralph Richardson and (latterly) Ian Holm. Actors who are
relatively free from the 'look at me' syndrome. Open channels to the
truth of the characters they play. Now they are impressive!
As a young character actor I had usually been cast to play in heavy
disguise as old men, lots of stage makeup, wigs etc. I think I have
always revelled in 'hiding' - and I suppose a hairy bear suit was the
ultimate hideaway. No one knew it was me!
How did you get involved with Rainbow and become the original Bungle?
The part was offered through my agent at the time, subject to an
interview with the original producer, Pamela Lonsdale.
What was your brief on the character of Bungle and how much did he
develop during your time in the bear suit?
Simply that Bungle was the 'child' figure - learning through play and
interacting with the presenter. The rest just followed, and a kind of
character emerged quite naturally as a result.
Did you have any (other) input into the show?
I had no other input to the show, except that I seem to remember I
appeared 'in the flesh' as a storyteller on one occasion, and I
persuaded my wife, Judy, to write some stories for the programme.
What are your memories of the programme in its early days?
Hard work!! With (I think) three shows to rehearse and record across
the week we were kept fairly busy. I think, too, with a 'new' show that
everyone connected with the programme was on a fairly sharp learning
curve. Also, the 'educational' side of the programme was under very
careful scrutiny and I recall a fair bit of script discussion between
writer John Kershaw, Pamela Lonsdale and Ruth Boswell (?? executive
producer??) in order to meet the latest thinking on the educational
needs of the 'rising fives'. There was plenty of fun, too, of course,
especially in rehearsal and actors like Peter Hawkins and Roy Skelton
were hugely talented in providing the 'energy' behind the character
voices that helped carry the show.
Why did you decide to move on from Rainbow?
Two reasons, really. One cannot spend a year behind a bear's mask
without getting a bit 'lost' to the acting profession. I suppose there
is an equivalent in getting a year's contract at the National Theatre
and finding yourself relegated to the role of a 'spear-carrier' in some
Shakespearean army! Nobody knows your face. One has to push it out to
casting directors in the interests of getting more varied work.
The other reason was one's health. The original bear suit was, shall we
say, HOT. Answering question ten, if you have to spend all day wrapped
up as Bungle, most of it in a small, stuffy and very brightly lit
studio, you will SUFFER! As it was I had to take salt tablets to
prevent the worst effects of dehydration. I'm not sure that playing
Bungle conformed to the regulations on working temperatures laid down in
the Shops, Factories and Offices Act. I remember being poured into a
taxi on a few occasions after dancing around on some of the more
energetic studio days.
Have you kept in touch with members of cast and crew?
No. Enjoyable though my year on RAINBOW was, I made a clean break.
Did you watch the programme after you left, and if so, how did the later
Bungle's compare to your performance?
I was no longer a 'rising five', so my only viewing of the programme was
simply to see a former acting colleague of mine settle into the role of
presenter once David Cook had also left the show. Yes, I seem to
remember introducing Geoffrey to Pamela Lonsdale at some point or other,
and the rest, as they say, is history!
How comfortable was the bear suit?
See 7. But I vividly remember having a plaster cast taken of my face
when the original Bungle mask was being made. An extraordinary
sensation: my face was amply greased with vaseline, two straws went into
my nostrils, and a bucket full of plaster of paris was applied to my
face. This heated up alarmingly as it set. I suppose this was the
nearest I have felt to being buried alive - but at least the bear's face
and my own were subsequently the most perfect fit.
Would you ever consider reprising the role of Bungle?
NO! Heaven forfend!! Besides, I'm too old.
What has been your proudest achievement?
As an actor?
Possibly 're-creating' the artist Stanley Spencer in a documentary made
some years ago for BBC Scotland. A job involving some fascinating
research.
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In 'real life'? I won a BBC cookery comptition some years ago.
Most recently I have been elected a deputy chairman of my local
Magistrates' bench.
What are you working on at the moment/ near future?
I have recently appeared briefly in the BBC 'Doctors' series.
Most of my non-acting work these days is as an accredited wine lecturer.
I've been teaching three courses in London this autumn/winter for The
Wine Education Service, and I have given tasting tutorials for in-house
groups as diverse as The National Trust, Channel 4, and the Home Office.
What ambition(s) would you like to fulfil?
Merely the ambition of getting demanding/fulfilling acting work
consistently! Any actor's dream!
How would Bungle cope with travelling in the TARDIS with the Doctor?
Perhaps the question should be put the other way. I cannot imagine any
self-respecting time traveller putting up with Bungle. K9 was bad
enough!
Do you think there is a place for Rainbow on present day Children's TV?
Yes, most definitely, and for a number of valid reasons. Rainbow was
not only an entertaining programme for its young audience, it had some
very clearly defined values and a clear structure. I'm not qualified to
say how well it achieved its inherent 'educational' targets, but I can
imagine that it might have been better viewing for those youngsters
today for whom tv has been turned into a 'surrogate parent'. I won't go
into today's run of interactive kids tv programming, much of which I
have not seen. Mind you, the world has moved on a bit since I started
on Rainbow - and now the computer game seems to be king!
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