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Andrew Harold Lohmann, April, 2001 Revised 10-11-01, 03-12-01    {03-08-03 not there is a newer version}

Family Tree of Brailsford & connection to Brailsford, near Derby.
Family connection to Damerall & line to naval captain in plymouth in 1500's
Family Tree of Fagg
Family connection to Greenfield
Family Tree of Lohmann see below
Family Tree of Parken & connection to Homer Park, Brentor, Nr. Plymouth.
Family connection to Geake & Philips

Circa 1714 LOHMANN Arrived from Germany
                                                               *Wilhelm Hermann ~1680 from Hanover
         ___________________________|______________________________
            |                          |                        |                                    |                       |
           * Others?            *Johann            * Hermann                    * Sophia          * George
                                                               ~1710 from Hanover                           ~1715
                                                               |
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                                                               * ~1740
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                                                               * ~1770
           possible common ancestor           |
               _________|________          |
     * Johann                                            * ?
     Gottfried                                        Alicia or Elizabeth Berkeley <
     Deitrich                                              |
     Elizabeth                 ______________|____________
     |       possibly        |                                                    |
     |       the same        |                                                    |
    * John   - person -    * Harold? ________                   * ?____________________
    Berkeley                  {Marquis of              |                    |                       |                    |
    Hermann                  Grandby pub,           |                   |                       |                    |
    1829 or 1831           New Cross,              * others?       |                       |                    |
    - 1904                      London}                                      |                       |                    |
    Mary                        |                                                   |                       |                    |
    Hattersley                 * Berkeley    {sold pub &          * Stewart #       * George #    * Joshua #
    1837-1881               1872?-1922   leased it back}       Berkeley            Alfred            Stuart
    |                            (Mary Greenfield                       1863-?               1865-1901     1867?-?
   * Constance             [Gangan] 18xx-1943)                                          {cricketer}
   1875-1962 m 1899     |
   Gordon Mavor          |
   1868-1941                 |
        ______________|_____________________________________________
        |                                       |                        |                         |                            |
        |                                       |                        |                         |                            |
        * Berkeley Hermann        * Monday        * May                * Harold               * Florence
        1889-1953                       (stillborn)       1891-1976        1895-1980?           1900 - 1981
        (Edith Mary Coleman      1893-1893      (Joe Striem)#    (Beatrice Fagg)      [Riggles]
        1881-1974)                                                                       (1890?-1985?)       (Author
        |                                                                                         |                             Peyton)
        |                                                                           _______|_______
        |                                                                           |                            |
        |                                                                           |                            |
        * Joan 1922                                                        * John Harold       * Joyce 1924
        (Fred Hawkins {married 1947})                           1929                     (Harry Humphrey)
        |                                                                          (Jean Helen                                 |
        |                                                                _____Parken)______                           |
        |                                                                |                                  |                         |
        |                                                                |                                  |                         |
        * Keith Preston 1947 <                            * Andrew Harold   * Avril Imogen           |
        {By Hermon Spiller Quick}                    1958 #                       1964                       |
        (Angelika)                                                                               (Simon Edwards)    |
         |                                                                                                                           |
   ___|_____________                        __extension of line above_________________|
   |                |                |                      |                         |                    |                       |
  * Lukas     * Claire     *Alice             * Katrina             * Steven        * Natasha         * Gwin
  1985         1988          [Lilly]             1958                    |                    |
                                   1990               (David Handly)     |                    |
KEY:                                                  |                          |
 * Generation                                      |                          |
 # no sons                                          * Rachel/?           * 11 children
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Joan Hawkins tells me: The Lohmann family came to England in 1714. You may remember from your history books that there was no heir to the English throne and so the Elektor of Hanover (i.e. George Ludwig of Brunswick-Luneburg) was offered the crown in 1714, becoming George I. A large retinue of courtiers and "hangers-on" came to England with him, including the composer Handel and the Lohmann family who settled mainly in London and the Home Counties.

Links to House of Hanover:-
http://www.royal.gov.uk/history/hanover.htm
http://www.great-britain.co.uk/history/to1914.htm
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Rulers/hanover.html
http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/18539.html
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0822647.html

I believe my great grandfather inherited the Marquis of Grandby which is in New Cross, sold the pub and leased it back. He never needed to work liked drink recited Shakespeare when he had a few, and had a temper. My father thought he was evil getting that impression from his father Harold. He did not leave any money spending it on drink buying everyone drink when he went in to a pub. Actually his wife Gangan passed on four houses. He died of throat cancer - not drink. I told by Joan about my great grandfather's singing voice. I have the two paintings of fishing smacks near Ramsgate harbour, that he painted. There are of stormy weather and the other of fine weather. Knowing and appreciating fresh fish is a trait passed down.

Joan Hawkins tells me; she did not know who actually owned the freehold of the Marquis of Grandby, but your great-grandfather held the lease for many years but forgot (or somehow neglected) to renew it somewhere around the years 1910-1912. The loss of the income from this large Inn then caused him some financial hardship which, in turn, meant that my father and your father Harold had to study to earn their own living.

Joan Hawkins tells me; My great-grandmother Mary Greenfield eloped with your great-grandfather (Berkeley) in 1888. She was then 18 and he was 21. I believed they lived in Croydon for a while which is where my father was born in 1889. They then moved to Ramsgate to "Rotherwood" in Southwood Road where they built 5 houses in the extensive garden, including  "Napleton Villa" where I & my parents lived and "Holly Bank" where your great-aunt  Florence (Riggles) lived with her husband Arthur Peyton.

You say your great-grandfather Berkeley left nothing. Yes, he did - he left the houses which he'd built in Southwood Road & Napleton Road, Ramsgate; and after his death Gangan lived off the rents from three of these. One (Napleton Villa, 38 Southwood Road) was rented by my own father Berkeley; Auntie May rented Dalkeith, 44 Southwood Road until she & her husband Joe moved to Hove; and when Auntie Riggles married Arthur Peyton they rented Hollybank, Napleton Road. There was also the £thousands proceeds from the sale of the other 2 houses, but Gangan "blew" most (but not all) of this money when she & Riggles went to Monte Carlo in the mid-1920s, gambling in the casinos in the vain hope of making a fortune. Arthur Peyton, who was then courting Riggles, went out there to France to bring Riggles back because he thought Gangan was planning to marry her off to some "gigolo"!! A year or so later Arthur & Riggles were married in Ramsgate. (For some reason unknown to me, I wasn't allowed to be a bridesmaid.) With her remaining money, your grandfather Harold tried to persuade Gangan to buy TWO houses in Sevenoaks; but she would only buy one because she said that by owning only 4 houses it would mean that each of her 4 children would fairly inherit ONE house when she died. And so it came about.

Joan Hawkins son Keith & Angelika searched through the telephone directories to find a "Lohmann", they found a female doctor living in London who is a distant relative. When I travelled the world in 1982 I found a Lohmann who owned a big hotel near Lake Taupo in the Tongariro National Park (North Island). Unfortunately, at the time I stayed in this hotel he was away on business so I could not ascertain to which branch of the family he belonged. However, I'm sure he must have been related to us because the Lohmanns were nearly all inn-keepers (at least, they were in the 18th and 19th centuries).

Mrs C H Pettitt related to John Berkeley Herman Lohmann 1831-1904 is trying to make contact with another possible branch at Hastings I need to reply to her.

The line leading to Constance includes two important names Hermann, could be Harold was chosen as an similar sounding English name, And Berkeley. Both Harold which I believe is the name of the Lohmann who came from Germany, and Berkeley similarly is an important name passed down.

Joan Hawkins tells me: "Harold" is a typically English name (for example, King Harold who was defeated at the Battle of Hastings!) As regards the forename "Harold" taking precedence over "Berkeley", I had to laugh because it's obvious that your & my families have told us differing stories depending on their own Christian names !! Perhaps the truth is that BOTH names have predominated since the Lohmanns came to England ? I really don't know.

Joan Hawkins tells me: Some way back in our ancestry, one of our male Lohmanns married a daughter of the Berkeley family (i.e. the Duke of Beaufort's family who own Badminton), which is why many of the Lohmanns after that were called "Berkeley". The John Berkeley Hermann Lohmann whom you mention would have been either the father or the uncle of your great-grandfather. Sorry I don't know which! My father was always reluctant to talk about his ancestry. He was an INVERTED snob, i.e. he disliked being associated with any of the "A/B" class and was much more of a socialist than your father ever was. In fact, he was really a communist (which is why he was never promoted to the post of headmaster !!!) I often tried to drag items of information from him but after a couple of minutes he would stop talking and brush me aside.

Joans mother told her quite about the Lohmanns, and she also got it from Auntie May who was
quite keen on the family history. 'Gangan' also told me a few things, but she was disinclined to say too much because she knew that my father would be angry if he found out she'd been telling me Family History which he (being anti-capitalist) didn't want me to know.  For instance, you ask about Alicia Berkeley.   According to both Gangan & Auntie May, we are descended "on the wrong side of the blanket" from one of the Dukes of Beaufort who had an affair with his own cousin. A  daughter was born from this liaison, taking her mother's surname of  Berkeley.   (Gangan said her name was Alicia, but Auntie May thought it was Elizabeth.   I really don't know which is right.) This girl, they said, married one of our ancestors, presumably either John Gottfried Dietrich or his son; since then, the eldest male son of tha branch was called Berkeley, either as a first or a second name. I do notice that this name is confirmed by the Family Tree.   If there really was "in-breeding" between the Duke & his cousin, it might account for the rather unnatural "Tempers and Rages" displayed by SOME of the later Lohmanns, including Gangan's Berkeley, and my father Berkeley Hermann and your grandfather Harold.

However, I do know that our ancestors seem to have done quite a lot of "colonising" - i.e. they travelled to South Africa, Rhodesia, New Zealand, etc., where they usually opened pubs, hotels or inns of some sort or another. I know quite a lot about your great-grandfather (who incidentally died in 1922, the year I was born). For instance, he had red hair - and a temper to match - and possessed a fine singing voice. His hobbies were horses & riding, cricket, music, art and sailing. At one time he had a yacht which he moored in Ramsgate harbour. He loved painting sailing ships. I gave my oil painting to John some years ago, not knowing then that my son would contact me, and so I expect your dad will leave it to you. Sorry I can't fill you in on any earlier ancestors or dates, except that your great-grandmother Mary (whom we nicknamed "Gangan") died in Stafford in 1943 while living with "Riggles" & Arthur Peyton who were evacuated there during the Second World War. (Arthur was a schoolmaster like my own father).

Joan says My father, also called "Berkeley", died in 1953 aged 64. My Mother then moved to Dorset in 1957 to live with me for 17 years until her death in 1974 aged 92. (She was 8 years older than my father and was the eldest daughter of William Coleman, 3 times Mayor of Ramsgate, who owned one bakery, two tea shops and one restaurant in Ramsgate, Broadstairs & Margate.)

Joan also tells me: Firstly, you ask about my Mother. Her maiden name was Edith Mary Coleman. She was born on 9 November 1881 in Northiam near Hastings. When she was 5 her Mother died in childbirth. Soon after this, her father William Coleman married again and moved to Ramsgate where he bought a bakery in King Street plus a large restaurant at the lower end of the High Street. Later on he expanded into another tea shop in Harbour Street, plus a restaurant in Margate and a confectionery shop/tea-rooms in Broadstairs. William Coleman had a large family of 10 children - 6 children by his first wife and 4 by his second. The second family inherited all his money. It was William Coleman (NOT a Lohmann) who was 3 times Mayor of Ramsgate in the 1920s and 1930s. The family lived in a large 8-bedroomed detached house called 'Kingscliff', with a big walled garden, in Park Road, Ramsgate, overlooking the town's Park. Before her marriage my Mother used to do all the book-keeping for her father's businesses (although she would have preferred to make a career in music because she was a very accomplished pianist and also played the organ in church, including the entire Oratorios of Handel & Mendelsshon, etc.) - and it was in the High Street restaurant that my father Berkeley first saw her and fell in love with her. At first Gangan didn't approve of the match because she rather looked down on anyone in TRADE ! However, she gradually thawed out over the years so that all seemed "sweetness & light" by the time I was about 10.

As regards Harold's amputated arm: I don't think the butterfly story is true, either ! I always understood (and Harold told me himself) that during World War 1 he had a slight wound in the upper part of his right arm and was then forced to sleep on the bare ground at night because there was a shortage of ground sheets. The soil contained saltpetre which got into the wound, turning it gangrenous. I believe this to be true. Yes, he did have a War Pension. I also understood that he had a lump sum from the War Office which enabled him to buy (or perhaps put down a deposit ?) on Rosslyn, Sevenoaks. I was NOT aware, until you told me, that Harold was turned out of the family home, and I find it difficult to believe that Gangan would have allowed this. I was always led to believe that the 2 brothers (my father & your grandfather) had to earn their own livings because your great-grandfather, no longer having the income from the lease of the Marquis of Grandby, couldn't afford to keep them at home idle as he had done until 1912. However, I certainly DO believe that Harold was bullied by his brother (my father Berkeley).

Harold my grandfather like his father's before went to bed to die. Cared much about wildlife. Proud of growing Crasanthmums. And gardening staid up all knight to cut a tree down and then went to work in London the next day. Pre-war Communist, like his brother. Worked as a clerk, for Humphries?? Of Knights Bridge a building. The firm had a large building projects a Roman vase found held work up for months whilst archaeological excavation was carried out. Very proud of the find. Prior to that Harold Worked for Stranges of Sevenoaks, but not the electrical business. Got gangrene and lost arm possibly whilst catching butterflies in Africa during WW1. Thrown out of family home because he was useless without an arm. Youngest son, was bullied by brothers, but probably sorted out when Beatrice gave him a gold ring with a diamond as a engagement present. Cut a stained glass panel with it when brothers told him was probably glass. May not have agreed with how Joan was treated, but toed the party line. That Berkeley was having a bad time with Joan. Had a piece of paper that traced the family line back to 16th C. When family came to London from Germany with George of Hanover. Harold inherited the temper having a white rage for days - dad kept his head down and relied on his mum to shield him. Joyce argued back at him and could always get her way.

Frankly, Andrew, there was very little love between my father & myself. My father was an arrogant tyrant. His schoolteacher colleagues detested him. Even my Mother, who professed to love him, told me (after his death) that she had had a "very difficult life" with him. He never liked me because I was a girl. He'd set his heart on having a son and never forgave the fact that my birth had made it impossible for him to try again for a son. (The doctor told him my Mother - who was then 40 - would not survive having another child and that he must ALWAYS take precautions against this. My Mother was 8 years older than my father.) My childhood was very very stressful - which accounts for the severe impediment in my speech which I suffered for many years. If it had not been for my Mother, my father would have "put me away" when I was 19, nearly 20, because I fell in love with the "wrong" man (older & divorced) and I'd committed the so-called "crime" of going to bed with him. In this day & age, the situation is commonplace. Everybody does it openly. In those days it was still done, but mostly hidden. Then, the age of majority was 21, and my father said I was still a CHILD - a bad wicked child - who needed correction & punishment ! My Mother threatened to leave him if he "put me away" - so for the first time in his married life he was forced to give in to her, although in his thwarted rage he told the family that because I'd slept with this man I was no better than a prostitute. Unfortunately I wasn't given the chance to put my own case, so most of the family believed I was AWFUL ! Never mind, that's ancient history now. Many years later, when I was in my 50s, your grandfather Harold told me that my father's "puritanical" attitude was sheer hypocrisy. Harold said that before my father and Arthur Peyton were married, they rented a two-room flat between them in Margate from 1908 to 1912, furnished only with two beds and a washbasin, where they used to "entertain" various women. Like "Little Audrey", I laughed & laughed !!! (I shall never know if my Mother was aware of this. Probably not. My father 'courted' her from 1910 to when they married on 25 October 1914, just before he was sent to serve in the WW1 Trenches. I know he was unfaithful to her in France during that War - but that, too, is ancient history. I hope I've answered all your points about the Lohmann family, Andrew. DO ask about anything else you'd like to know. (Yes, I think it might be wise for you to print this out ! - There's too much to remember otherwise! - I've probably written too much !)

George Lohmann and his brothers all played cricket. George died of TB in his thirties, unmarried. My grandfather told me that we are the closest male line relation to George Lohmann the surrey cricketer. George was a cousin to Berkeley my great-great grandfather. George played for England at the time of W.G.Grace details of his life and bowling record can read in the book "George Lohmann The beau ideal" by Ric Sissons ISBN 0 949138 54 1. A friend and neighbour Derrick Taylor also has cricket in his family and knows of George. The George Lohmann block of flats was built next to the Oval probably in the 1960's.

George's father the book (see above) says was quite wealthing living in Kensington but may have lost money in 1866 stock market crash. The family then moved to Clapham.

Both Joyce and my Grandfather said that the butterfly and gangrene story was not true, grandfather got a disability pension for life from the army? for his lost arm. Mum tells me she laughed when she was told the story. Harold and Beatrice (my grandparents) had friend Mr and Edith Berwick -builder very wealthy gave money to charity. Riggles married to Author had a Morgan car, smart wore plus four's (golf club requisite kit). Dad (John) Played trams & busses with his Granny Gangan. John's sister Joyce made him a wire clip to put bus or tram tickets to play the game. I was told that all Lohmanns where called Harold by my father and grandfather. This is more important than the name Berkeley. Mum confirms that Harold was important and though it was my great grandfather's name, in any case Harold came from Germany.

Joan Hawkins tells me: Yes, I heard vague rumours that Harold & Beatrice were not always very nice to your Mother Jean. But then don't you find that, in those days, most parents never thought their daughters-in-law were good enough for their sons ? That certainly was the case between Gangan and my Mother Edith - and indeed between Gangan and Beatrice. (Thank goodness I very much like my lovely Austrian daughter-in-law Angelika !!) Regarding the butterflies, both Harold & his brother Berkeley (my father) were keen on this cruel & ridiculous "sport". My father, too, had a large collection but I understood that my Mother had given them away to Harold after my father died. This may not be right - but that's what I was told. Actually, it was Harold himself who told me that his arm had gone gangrenous due to his having to lie on bare soil containing saltpetre.

Joan Hawkins suggests I explored Gangan's family tree ? I believe her maiden name was Greenfield and that her father was a doctor. Her family more-or-less "disowned" her after she eloped with your great-grandfather. Later in her life, one of her brothers contacted her trying to borrow money - but she would have nothing to do with him. I was told he was a ne'er-do-well.

Hermon Spiller Quick family farmed in Dorset & Somerset for more than 400 years.