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In Memory of

Sgt.Navigator -Frederick Edward Ashman
b. 17 June1923 - d. 27 November 1943

Sgt Bomb Aimer - John G Burrows
d. 2002

Sgt.Flt Eng - Harold Bronsky
d. 27 November 1943

W/O Pilot - Ron Brunt
d. 27 November 1943

Sgt. Wireless Operator & Armourer - R W Norley DFM
d. 27 November 1943

Gunner - E D Wilson
d. 27 November 1943

F/Sgt Armourer Gunner - R P O'Dea
d. 27 November 1943

EA - D for Dog - Lancaster JB362_'A Flight' 49 Squadron RAF Fiskerton 1943
By Chris Ashman, Bertram Ashman and Andrew Grant
Also in memory of
FLTLT G. P. George DFC (RAAF)


About 49 Squadron at Fiskerton

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The Uncle I Never Knew
By Chris Ashman

Fred Ashman was born in in Dover the eldest son of Herbert Ashman and Edith (Marsh) at one time living in Matthews Place, Dover. Herbert took a job in the Civil Service and was posted to central London. After living at various addresses in South London the family moved to 129, Ivyhouse Road, Dagenham but the children being in bad health they all moved back to Dover and moved into a house in Dour St.

Fred attended Charlton Boys School,just off Bridge Street where he earned a scholarship to The County Boys School at Tower Hamlets.

His street friends were Doug Whittingstall, Bill Erith, and John and Claud Wilson.

After Fred's death Herbert and Edith presented a cup to the Dover Grammar School. It is still presented yearly as The Frederick Ashman Memorial Prize for Mathematics.
School Honours

WW2 -

On 2nd of June 1940 With a possibility of invasion Bert and other children of the town were evacuated to South Wales. Fred was working as a bank clerkto and was a part of "Dad'sArmy", the LDV (Local Defence Volunteers).in his spare time

 

 

 

In 1940 Fred gave up his Bank clerks job to join the R.A.F. with many of his friends such as John and Claud Wilson and his best friend John Walsh.

 

 

 

Initial Training and Navigation Training In Miami and Canada

During leave in America, Fred and friends visited New York and went up the Empire State Building

In 1943 fred joined the 49 Squadron of the Royal Air Force which coincidently was formed in Dover, Kent; his home town in April 1916.
In 1943 the squadron was based at Fiskerton 5 miles East of Lincoln. Fiskerton was opened in January '43, but by September the concrete of the main runways was showing so much deteriation that it was judged as unsafe. Flying operation were moved to Dunholm Lodge.There was not sufficient accomodation at Dunholm for the crews so they were ferried to and from Fiskerton by crewbus.

The Navigators view
As seen on NX611at East Kirkby - Thanks Roy

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Flight Records for Freds crew (Flt /Sgt. Brunt A Flight 49 Squadron) From August 1943

15 August 1943; Cross Country - Lancaster JA.690 - @22.00hrs for 4hours

18 August 1943; N.F.T. (Night Flying Tests) - Lancaster ED.999 - @15.10hrs for 20Mins. for 55mins

24 August 1943; Practice Bombing - Lancaster ED.999 - @15.10hrs for 1hr50mins.

26 August 1943; N.F.T. - Lancaster ED.999 - @11.20hrs for 30mins

27 August 1943; N.F.T. and Bombing - Lancaster ED.999 - @11.35hrs for 1hr30mins

Operations

27 August, 1943; Nuremburg: - Lancaster ED.999 - @21.05hrs for 8hrs10mins
Of the 12 aircraft sent by the squadron on the long haul to Nuremburg, four were flown by new crews: F/Sgt Brunt (ED999); Sgt Jones (JA690); F/Sgt Barnes RAAF (ED448) and Sgt Hodgkinson (ED426). All the squadron crews including the 'freshmen', had sucessful sorties and safe returns. Bombing by 674 Aircraft suffered from creepback despite repeated requests from the Master Bomber: 33 Main Force aircraft failed to return.

30 August 1943; N.F.T. and Bombing - Lancaster ED.999 - @12.50hrs for 1hr.

30 August 1943: Monchen Gladbach/Rheydt: - Lancaster ED.999 - @00.05hrs for 4hrs55mins. - 9/10 Cloud over Target - 15 Lancasters climbed away fro Fiskerton forming part of a stream containing 600 bombers heading for Germany. The force made a double attack on Monchen/Rheydt, causing severe damage. All of the squadron's aircraft returned to Fiskerton.

10th September 1943 - Fiskerton's concrete had begun to show signs of deterioration....operational aircrew would continue the pre-op routine at Fiskerton, but once they had been briefed and had dressed for battle, instead of being ferried to waiting Lancasters at their home airfield they were taken several miles by crewbus to Dunholme Lodge...No52 Base's other satellite airfield.
Route: Fiskerton to Dunholme past Nettleham to Lincoln then via Greetwell and Cherry Willingham.

11 September 1943: N.F.T. - @11.40hrs for 20mins.

13 September 1943: N.F.T. - @14.50hrs for 20mins.

14 September 1943: Airtest (Special Signals) - @11.30hrs for 1hr20mins.

15 September 1943: Nightbombing - @19.30hrs for 1hr50mins.

20 September 1943: Airtest (Signals) - @19.30hrs for 55mins.

20 September 1943: Demonstration (Special Signals) - @16.49hrs for 1hr54mins.

21 September 1943: Cross Country - @15.20hrs for 4hrs15mins.

22 September 1943: N.F.T. - @12.50 for 30mins.
During the morning those 49 Squadron crews on the 'Battle Order' flew their kites out of Fiskerton on Night Flying Tests. They then landed at them at Dunholme where ground crews loaded the bombs and fuel etc.ready for the evening's operation. In the meantime the aircrew were ferried back to Fiskerton by motor transport.

22 September 1943; Hannover: @18.55hrs from Dunholme for 5hrs20mins - Opposition Slight
49 Squadron managed to get 11 Lancasters airborne from Dunholme by 19.24hrs. All reported successful sorties with 4 landing back at Fiskerton shortly after midnight, the remainder at Dunholme by 00.48hrs.

This was the first time in 2 years that Hannover would receive a major raid. Over 700 aircraft were to carry out this, the first in a series of four raids...on this night 26 aircraft wouls fail to return.

23 September 1943; Manheim: @18.55hrs from Dunholme for 6hrs30mins
After their mid-afternoon trip from Fiskerton, 13 crews had climbed away from Dunholme Lodge by 18.56hrs. The following morning only 11 aircraft returned.
The Northern part of Manheim suffered bombing from 628 aircraft, It cost Bomber Command 18 Lancasters, 7 Halifaxes and 7 Wellingtons. Once over the target, fighters were again much in evidence. The use of searchlights in co-ordination with fighters accounted for many of the losses
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27 September, 1943; Hannover: from Dunholme @19.40hrs for 6hrs00mins
Faulty wind forecasts used by the Pathfinders resulted in 678 bombers making a concentrated attack, but several miles away from the centre of Hanover. Again losses were severe, with 38 aircraft going down. F/Sgt Brunt (JB231) EA-N Nan) and crew had been hit by flak over the target which set fire to the starboard outer engine. The fire was soon extinguished, but they were forced to return on three engines.
This aircraft (JB231 EA-Nan) was flown to Berlin by Sgt Keeling and crew 22/23-11-43 and to Berlin by F/Sgt Edy on 26/27 November 1943 when the rear turret went u/s

2 October 1943; Munich: Poor Attack......

3 October, 1943; Kassel: Good Effort
The squadron dispatched 7 Lancasters from Dunholm. F/Sgt Brunt (JB362) and crew despite having their mid upper turret go u/s on the way out , decided to continue with their sortie. All 49's aircraft returned without loss.

6 October 1943: Stuttgart:

18 October 1943 - Reverse gear
Whilst the squadron was operating from Dunholme, a maintenance flight remained at Fiskerton, servicing and mending the lame ducks. SNCO Fitter, Trevor Simpson, recalls the following dramatic spectacle, which occurred on 18 October 1943:

"We had worked on a new aircraft lettered "L". After finishing the checks, one of our pilots was to ferry it over to Dunholm. I saw it start its take-off run, and I was just going into the flight office when my corporal shouted 'Look, look!!' . I was just in time to to see the aircraft swing on takeoff. To our amazement, it continued its swing and went right through 180 degrees and continued down the runway backwards at about 90 knots. Even so, it might have got away with relatively little damage, but there was a drainage ditch along the side of the runway, and the tail wheel dropped into this and was sheered off. After that, the undercart collapsed and it became a write off; I don't suppose its flying hours had reached double figures. Fortunately no one was hurt."

The Lancaster in question was JB411, which had only been delivered to the squadron on 5 October 1943 and the crew involved was piloted by F/Sgt Ron Brunt.

18 November 1943. Berlin:
Pic - Fiskerton: Back from Berlin 18/19-11-43:
W/O Ron Brunt RAAF (JB362) trundles Bandlaw (Aircraft call-sign) D-Dog back into dispersal after bombing Berlin from 20.000ft with a frosted over windscreen!

 

 

 

 

22 November1943; Berlin:
Pic -
Fiskerton: Back from Berlin
22 November 1943. The time is 23.30 on the night of 22 November. Pilot Ron Brunt (Extreme right bending) and crew are glad to be back on terra firma after a seven hour trip to Berlin.

L-R Fred Ashman - ? - ? - Harold Bronsky?- ?Ground staff - John Burrows (obscured) - (on steps) - Ron Brunt (bending)

 

 

 


Pic - Fiskerton: Back from Berlin 22/23-11-43 It is now after midnight and W/O Ron Brunt (second from left next to Waaf Officer) and crew are being interrogated about her sortie to Berlin; "4th wave over target 20.12hrs at 21,000ft, 10/10ths cloud up to 15,000ft. Flak light over target - no fighters. Doubtful Whether TI' were over target acording to H2S"
L-R - ? - Ron Brunt - ? - Harold Bronsky - Fred Ashman

 

 

24th November Daily Sketch

26/27 November 1943; Berlin: Shot Down
On the previous trips Berlin had always been cloud covered, but on this occasion, as 440 Lancasters flew over the target the visability was clear. Flak defences over Berlin, and fighters on the return leg accounted for 28 bombers and their crews.
.......W/O Ron Brunt (JB362) had failed to return from Berlin: the 21 year old pilot and crew, flying in D-Dog, were brought down over Berlin and only the bomb aimer, Sgnt. Burrows managed to escape with his life; their navigator Sgt Fred Ashman was only 19 years of age.

See Survivors story

EA - D for Dog JB362 'A Flight'

Brought down on Their 13th operation

W/O Pilot - Ron Brunt
Sgt.Flt Eng - Harold Bronsky
Sgt.Navigator - Fred E Ashman
Sgt. Wireless Operator & Armourer - R W Norley DFM
Gunner - E D Wilson
F/Sgt Armourer Gunner - R P O'Dea
Sgt Bomb Aimer - J G Burrows (Survivor) was captured and held as a Prisoner of War in Stalag IVB.

Other crews lost this night
DS712 DS723 DS679 DS814 DV178 DV268 DV285 DV289 DV295 DV297 DV336 DV337 DV339 DV377 DV381 DV388
ED370 ED393 ED417 ED809 ED873 EE111 EE168
JA913 JA961 JB235 JB303 JB350 JB354 JB362 JB423 JB458 JB459 JB464 JB485 JB527 JB538 JB554 JB592 JB597
LM362 LM379 W4198

Chris writes ....My grandparent told me that Fred had been shot whilst parachuting down after the plane was hit, and was dead before reaching the ground. That the survivors' hair had gone white with the horror of it all.(Not correct) These facts true or not, they believed, were maybe a comfort to them through the rest of their lives, which were tormented by the grief of losing their eldest son. Their hate for the German people of any age, complete and unrelenting. This was a difficult thing to understand growing up as I did, with German exchange students and the truth of the horrors that we wreaked upon the German cities and civilians.

on returning from Germany in 1945 John Burrows contacted the families of his crew and got a very mixed reception. He sent a letter to my grandparents

.........I am afraid I can offer you no hope regarding Fred. In fact I saw him next day and he had been killed before he reached the ground. It came as a terrible shock to me to learn I was the only survivor. Sometimes I wonder why I should be spared and the rest taken. All sorts of queer motives & ideas were running through my head. And how lonely I felt having worked, played, slept and fought with such a great spirited crew as was ever. I have given over trying to explain these things it is far too complex a problem for me..................

A year before he died in 2002, I had managed to trace John, in an emotional telephone conversation. He said, "The bonds between the crew were strong" and that he had felt "so very alone since that night" in 1943. The Germans treated him badly and he was forced to recognised his crew's bodies when they were found.

Bertram - Fred's Brother writes.....
I discovered that when my brother had an occasional leave, he would not tell my parents, but travel as far as Maidstone where he would stay with Uncle Arthur Marsh, who was like an elder brother. He did not want to be paraded around the village like a conquering hero, but I wished that we could have spent more time together. When we were at school he had his own friends. Then I went off to Wales, and he joined the R.A.F. I believe that I saw him twice when he had leave. Now he rests in a Berlin cemetery.
On the morning of Wednesday, the 24th November, 1943, the middle pages of the Daily Sketch were dedicated to the return of Lancaster bomber 'D for Dog' which had landed around midnight of Monday the 22nd after returning from a bombing mission to Berlin, and there in the picture was my brother, the Sergeant Navigator, and tallest of the crew, standing by the aircraft, and later being debriefed in camp regarding results. I remember him telling me that on one night raid he had asked the pilot Flying Officer Brunt whether he could leave his plotting table to see what it was like over the target. He went forward, saw the flack all around the aircraft, returned to his table, never tried it again, and dedicated himself to planning the route to the target and back home again. Then a few days after the photographs, he was killed over Berlin on the night of the 26th November, after having bailed out with his parachute.
The pilot and one gunner ( a recent replacement), Bronsky, a Polish Jew, went down with the plane. There was one survivor.(John Burrows).The bodies were originally buried in the City Cemetery, Comrades Graves, Gransee, 35 NNW of Berlin, land occupied by the Russians, and not accessible.They were later disinterred from the Russian Zone, and re-buried in the R.A.F. war grave cemetery at the Heerstrasse, Berlin, just a short distance from the Olympic Stadium, where Hitler paraded his masses of troops prior to attacking the countries of Europe. In that cemetery are the remains of over 3000 British aircrew, and their graves are carefully tended.

In 1947 Bert was transferred to Germany, whilst in Hamburg obtained a folding Ziess-Icon folding camera, with a 10 second delay self-take lever fitted (on the black market in exchange for coffee)

Bert Writes.........Some of the chaps had got word of their demobilisation date and I calculated that it would not be that long before I would hear about my number which was 68, and I wondered whether it would be possible for me to beg time to find my brother's grave before returning home to England.

I had been told that when the aircraft was hit over Berlin on the night of the 26th November, 1943, the order had been given to bale out. Consequently, all the crew left with the exception of the mid-upper gunner, who was a Polish replacement, not one of the regular crew, and Jewish in faith. From what I was told, it would appear that the mid-upper gunner would not jump from the aircraft, because he was convinced that he would be tortured if captured, and he and the pilot remained and crashed with the plane. It it was the crew's 13th raid, and upon reaching their 25th, they would have been given a break, before entering a Pathfinder Squadron, which would pinpoint and mark the target for the main strike force.
My brother came down on his parachute, and was reported to have been hit by a bullet in the back of the head. He was buried in the Russian East Germany zone.

I went to see the Adjutant, and explained the situation of the grave, and he told me to forget it, as any soldier who got over the border, would be arrested, as had already happened in another unit. I put it to the back of my mind, but got a surprise letter from my father 7 days later, telling me that my brother's body had been disinterred, and had been transported to a new British cemetery in Berlin for burial. Again I saw the Adjutant, and on this occasion he was full of hope. He was happy for me to go on compassionate leave, and informed me that I would have to stop at a transit camp overnight before passing through the East German border to get to the British Sector of Berlin, and break the journey on the return. This would mean that I would be travelling for three days, and did I think that I could locate the cemetery and grave, if he gave me a 7-day warrant ? I told him that I was happy with the arrangement, and he fixed the date.

So it was that I armed myself with the Zeis-Ikon camera which I had bartered on the black market and got a film from the NAAFI. I had no idea how to use it, so Taffy gave me a crash course on focal lengths and timing, and I boarded a train for Hamburg, where I had to change. Having been in Germany for so short a time, I had made up some phrases to get me from place to place, which I had rehearsed, and accordingly I got the train to Berlin, which stopped at the station for the transit camp , where I spent the night, and the following morning the RTO's office on the platform checked me in for the continuing journey across the border. The train finally reached Berlin, at the Reichsportfeld station, where I was checked by a German civilian with an armband, who spoke English. He checked a list, and asked me to board a 12 seater bus, with a few others, and the bus pulled away and shortly drove into the main gate of the Olympic Stadium, where Hitler used to parade his troops and bawl his head off. We entered the main door of the entrance block, and I was taken to a single room upstairs, which was to be my abode during my stay. It was part of the athletes' quarters, and there was a chambermaid to keep it clean.
Having lost some of my leave time, I thought I had better start my search, so I made my way to the canteen in the basement for a drink, and questioned a Sergeant about cemeteries. He said that he knew of one within walking distance, and another beyond it, but he did not know what types were buried there. I found them both, but neither of them were R.A.F.

I stood at the roadside, wondering what to do next, when a German car, driven by a German, stopped alongside, and he seemed to be asking me in German whether I needed help. What could I say ? I stumbled over the language, and said, 'Vo ist die Englischer soldaten, kaput, bitterschon ?' Somehow he understood, opened the car door, beckoned me in, and took off. In no time at all he skidded to a halt, pointed to a long hedge on a wide road without any houses, opened the door for me to get out, shouted 'Viedersein', and sped off.

I stood there like an idiot, wondering how I could have trusted a stranger, with whom I could not carry on a conversation, to drop me in the middle of nowhere. I walked beside the hedge, and found a part which was not as thick as the rest, and it was just possible to see metal crosses in the ground. Taking the bull by the horns, as they say, I forced my way through the hedge. It certainly was a cemetery of some proportions, and the ground was muddy, and here and there were graves waiting to be filled. Within 10 minutes I was standing at the grave of my brother, and his mates, with an open grave adjacent, and I found that Pilot Officer Brunt was close at hand in another row. I also found the grave of a G.L.Ashman. I took out the camera, stood it on the ground with the 10 second delay set, and took a picture of myself behind my brother's grave. I then saw where the main entrance was, and was making my way there, when I heard a loud shout, and from a small hut, an army redcap policeman came running over to me, and asked me what I was doing there as the place was 'out of bounds', and I could be charged for trespass. I explained my mission to him, and told him that I expected to be returned to England shortly, whereupon he asked me whether I had taken any photographs. He could not see my camera as it was inside my battledress blouse, and I lied and told him that I had not. He said that as far as he was concerned, he had not seen me, and I left. One could see what the fuss was about as the site was far from complete, with bodies being brought in from various burial grounds. It now contains the remains of over 3000 aircrew.

I somehow found my way back to the Stadium. It has been a puzzle to me for years how I did, but having been back there, it is quite close, as the Stadium is near to the Heerstrasse, upon which the cemetery stands. If one heads back towards the centre of Berlin along the Heerstrasse, one encounters the Victory Memorial, the extremely wide shopping area of Bismarckstrasse,The Tiergarten, and the Russian War Memorial, which was built in the British Sector, before I got there in 1948.

Sgt Bomb Aimer - J G Burrows
By His Son Andrew

John Burrows Died in 2002

During the sort out at Mum and Dad's house I came across something. I never even knew that Dad had kept - His RAF logbook.

It details all his flying right from the early training sorties in Canada right through the wartime period and then resumes in 1951 when he re-enlisted.
Three pages which show the 13 operational sorties in '43. Well, in fact, he only entered eight of them - he was evidently a little lax about his book keeping in the last days and he has subsequently pencilled in the missing missions with the estimated flight times (frustratingly, there's no mention of the runway crash on the 18th of October).

To be honest it doesn't shed much new light on things - it's simply a record of flights when he flew with Ron Brunt but the first entry which mentions him is on 11th April '43 at 29 OTU (haven't been able to find out where that was, yet) when they did an hour and a half of circuits and landings in a Wellington in which Brunt, presumably being familiarised with the aircraft type, was second pilot.


Also, I have a more complete list of operations which I got from the 49 Association a couple of years ago - but it doesn't quite agree with Dad's logbook - all very confusing.

Interestingly enough the logbook cleared up one mystery for me but created another.

John, sporting his newly acquired bomb aimer's badge - probably taken a couple of weeks before he met the rest of the crew.


copyright2003 Chris AshmanI grew up believing that Dad was a Navigator during the war, in fact he told me that when he failed pilot training, that's what he did as second choice. It was only later I realised and the logbook eventually confirmed, that he was a bomb aimer/gunner.It wasn't till 1951, when he re-enlisted that he did his navigation training. Perhaps, due to all the ill feeling there was after the war, regarding Dresden and the later firestorm raids (none of which he took part in) he felt being a bomb aimer was a little too contentious - I don't know.

Also, he told me that after his initial training in Canada, he was shipped down to California to do flying training. He told some evocative stories about endless wheat fields and the glamour of forties Hollywood and I have several pictures that prove he was there. However, the logbook lists no flying whatsoever between Canada and the OTU back in Blighty - very strange. I'm now applying for his RAF records which may shed some light on this.

Dad only ever once told me the story of the 26th of November and my memory is a little shaky as it was about 6 years ago, but I'll recount it as best I can. I have to say though, that I wasn't totally convinced by his story, which may seem very uncharitable of me but, like you, I've read a great deal about those times and what happened to him seemed a little exaggerated. I hope I'm not doing him a great injustice. Here it is as he told it anyway.

He told me that shortly before they were to commence their bomb run, they were attacked from below by a German night fighter. The Lanc was immediately crippled and Brunt gave the order to bail out. Dad, being the Bomb Aimer (he told me he was acting as Bomb Aimer on that trip only, but I now know otherwise) was fortunate enough to be at the front, right on top of the larger escape hatch so he was the first to get out. Before he did though, he heard, over the intercom Bronsky revealing for the first time that he was Jewish and that he knew he'd be killed if he jumped and refusing to go. Dad then exited and assumed that the rest followed him.

He came down in a ploughed field a few miles from Berlin and spent the night under a hedge listening to the dogs barking while the Germans tried to find that night's crop of TerrorFliegers. They didn't find him, but I can't imagine what a frightening night that must have been for a 20 year old; cold, wet, alone and in enemy territory. He was spotted soon after daybreak by a Polish slave worker who was crossing the field wearing his regulation yellow triangle on the back of his jacket. Dad shared a couple of his cigarettes with the man who eventually went off and reported him.

The field belonged to a large country estate and he was eventually marched at pitchfork point to the big house where the Baron showed him great courtesy and fed him, but the baroness hurled abuse at him. Finally, the local Wehrmacht showed up and escorted him away. It gets a little confused here. He said that they took him to the crash site and that somewhere they showed him two bodies, one shot (presumably poor Fred) and one with a broken neck, I don't know who. He said that the broken neck was a result of not unplugging his intercom cord before jumping. Dad speculated that Ron Brunt may have been motivated by Bronsky's dilemma to try and nurse the plane home rather than jumping, because the remaining bodies were all at the crash site.

He also said he was taken to the local airfield where he met the pilot who shot them down, before he was finally fed into the system of interrogation and POW processing which the Germans had pretty much perfected by that time and which is well recorded in many wartime memoirs.

Eventually he ended up in Stalag IVB near Muhlberg, not that far from Dresden and he spent the next 18 months there till the Russians rode into camp, shot the few guards who hadn't fled and set the POW's free.

There are lots of stories from his time in the camp, but I'll save those for another time. I've also got some mementos from his incarceration; a cigarette case made from milk tins by a Russian prisoner and the bullet that nearly killed him.

Left - The two cigarette tins, made by Russian prisoners. The Russians were not a party to the Geneva convention and the Germans treated them accordingly, by barely feeding them. Subsequently they became adept at using their skills in return for food and cigarettes from the slightly luckier US and British prisoners.

And that's pretty much all I know. I wish I'd got him to tell the story again before he died and that I had written the details down. At the time we had both had a few to drink and it didn't seem appropriate to grab a pen and paper and start grilling him. I was just pleased that he felt he could confide in me.

Sgt.Flt Eng - Harold Bronsky

Hi Chris

While thinking about Harold, I came to realise that I knew quite a lot about My Father's family, but very little (at first think) about my mother's ......

She was born in England as the eldest of five children (2 girls and 3 boys) and Harold was the youngest. He was the only one to be called up as one brother was in the Fire Service, In Poplar round the docks for most of the blitz time and the other was in a factory.
I believe that Harold was born in the East End, and may have attended the Jewish Free School but that's just a guess.

Whether or not his father was Polish, I do not know because Harold's Uncle (who I DID know) held a commission in the French Army in WW1. I know of a largish family belonging to Harold's Aunt all domiciled in France and his aunt could only converse in French.

Getting back to the Crew, an awfully strong feeling makes me think that indeed he WAS a replacement for somebody but WHO? and what happenned to HIM?

Just my thoughts at the moment
Regards
Ray Flaum

W/O Pilot - Ron Brunt
Chris writes...
I have received a phone call from Fred Shaw the cousin of Ron Brunt, he was excited to find that there was so much information on the web. His grand daughter had printed out this page onto 14 sheets of paper for him to take home. Fred has done quite a lot of previous research, reading books on Lancasters, Lincolnshire and bombers, including one by Brian Golding?. He has also sent off to various organisations for documentation, hope he will share some of this with us. It appears that Ron's training took place in Africa and the ship bringing him back to England was torpedoed.

Fred was 7 years younger than his cousin but he remembers meeting the crew at Ronnie's birthday party in the Summer of 1943 just few months before most of them died. He and the family were most impressed as the crew turned up in their uniforms or flying gear. It must of been a striking vision.

Fred's Grandmother and Auntie both heard the planes go over on the night of the crew's death. One of them recalled later that on jumping up to look out of the window they saw an image of Ronnie at the bottom of the garden.

In 1945 Fred (15) met John Burrows (Jack he called him) when he visited the family
John tried to contact or meet all of the families of the deceased crew


He said he had discovered that Ron's plane was one the first Class 5: Four-engined aircraft that Miss Lettice Curtis of the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA) delivered as a ferry pilot. Shall have to read her book.

Lettice Curtis: "The Forgotten Pilots", Nelson Saunders Ltd., Buckinghamshire 1971. ISBN: 0-85429-1237
The forgotten pilots: a story of the Air Transport Auxiliary 1939-45 / Lettice Curtis. - 2nd ed. - Twyford, Berkshire : E.L. Curtis, 1982. - xii, 337p., 16p. of plates: ill., facsims., ports. ; 22cm. - index. ISBN 0-9508157-0-5 (pbk.)
Lettice Curtis: Anything To Anywhere, Aeroplane Monthly, January, February, April 1979.
Lettice Curtis: Winges Odyssey, Air Research Publications, Walton-on-Thames 1993.
Lettice Curtis: All Types Accepted, Aeroplane Monthly, September 1996.
http://www.airtransportaux.org/

Looking forward to any further details from Fred Shaw who is the Vice Chairman of his local British Legion Branch

FLTLT G. P. George DFC (RAAF)
From: "Rodney George" <rodney@colourtrue.com.au>

Hello Christopher,

I found your research of great personal interest as my father FLTLT G. P. George DFC (RAAF) was a pilot with 49 Sqn during the same period. He was also in 'A' flight. The aircraft he usually operated was EA-B (JB469)
although he had flown EA-D as well. My father also flew on the particular operation you discuss at great length. He survived the war and passed away only recently. He was born in London (Fulham) and was 3 months old when his family emigrated to Australia.

Being a pilot myself I have managed (with great difficulty) to obtain the Australian Registration VH-EAD for my own aircraft as a reminder of my fathers time flying on operations. I was unable to obtain, VH-EAB which was
not and is not available. It is one of the Qantas registrations as was my own which 'slipped through a crack in the floor' at the time of an aircraft change and de-registration.
The civil block EAA through to EAP was the original group of registrations Qantas had. This was symbolic for the company of what was then Qantas Empire Airways.

I am an associate member of the 49 Squadron Association.

Here are some details from Dad's flying log to do with his time at 49 Squadron.

He Arrived at 49 sqn Fiskerton 18th August 1943, the day of the Peenamunde raid (I have been at Fiskerton, in 1984 and part of one of the runways still existed at that time. I had an Austin rent a car and I drove that vehicle at
speed along the 700 or so yards that were there, having a 'jolly' and puzzling a Farmer who was watching my antics.

The following are operational and training details (Lancaster):

Aug 24 DV166 EA-F night x country 4.15hrs.
Aug 27 " " night ops (2nd dickie to W/O Bull) NURNBERG 7.25hrs. (a/c eventually crashed Hemswell 28/4/45)
Aug 29 JA894 EA-C Air test (4 bombs day) 1.15min
Aug 30 ED416 EA-J Nite flying test (1 bomb) 1.00hrs
AUG 30 ED416 EA-J night ops MUNCHEN-GLADBACH-RHEYDT 5.20hrs (a/c later lost 5/6 Sept to fighter)
SEP 2 ED416 EA-J day bombing 1.30min
SEP 5 LM306 EA-E night ops MANNHIEM 6.55min (a/c later lost 19/3/44 with 44sqn)
SEP 6 W5010 EA-? night flying test 40mins (a/c later lost LIEPZIG 20/21/2/44)
SEP 6 W5010 EA-? night ops MUNICH 8.50min
SEP 13 EE134 EA-Y ferry to Dunholme Lodge 55min
SEP 14 ED999 EA-A local flying 1.40min
SEP 15 DV166 EA-F Local flying 1.05min
SEP 16 LM306 EA-E night bombing 40min
SEP 17 ED999 EA-A fighter affiliation 1.00hr
SEP 29 W5010 EA-? night ops BOCHUM 5.25min
SEP 29 DV166 EA-F H2S x country 2.15min
SEP 30 W5010 EA-? to Dunholme & air test 30min
OCT 1 W5010 EA-? night ops HAGEN 6.10min
OCT 3 ED999 EA-A night ips KASSEL 6.15min (a/c later lost 34/24 Dec BERLIN when with 44 Sqn)
OCT 5 JB362 EA-D to Dunholme 15min (a/c lost 26/27 NOV BERLIN - crashed S of Gransee)
OCT 7 LM306 EA-E night ops STUTTGART 7.20min
OCT 8 LM306 EA-E to STANTON MORLEY 30min
OCT 18 ED999 EA-A night ops HANNOVER 5.55min
OCT 20 JB371 EA-J night ops LEIPZIG 7.35min (a/c lost 2/3 Dec fighter)
OCT 24 JB371 EA-J beam approach 1.45min
OCT 29 JB469 EA-B H2S air test 50min
NOV 1 JB305 EA-E H2S air test 40min (a/c lost 3/4 Nov DUSSELDORF in target area)
NOV 3 JB469 EA-B night ops DUSSELDORF 4.55min
NOV 5 JB421 EA-K H2S training 2.00hrs
NOV 6 JB469 EA-BH2S training 3.40min
NOV 16 JB469 EA-B night flying test 25min
NOV 16 JB469 EA-B H2S training 1.20min
NOV 17 JB469 EA-B H2S training 1.35min
NOV 18 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (1) 8.15min
NOV 19 JB469 EA-B WEST MALLING - BASE 55min
NOV 22 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (2) 7.10min
NOV 23 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (3) 6.55min
NOV 26 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (4) 7.25min
NOV 28 JB469 EA-B air test 25min
DEC 2 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (5) 7.35min
DEC 3 JB469 EA-B night ops LEIPZIG 7.25min
DEC 9 JB469 EA-B beam approach training 1.05min
DEC 9 JB670 EA-D fishpond training 2.05min (a/c lost 26/27/3/44 SCHWEINFURT)
DEC 10 JB699 EA-P practice bombing 2.10min
DEC 11 JB701 EA-G H2S training 3.30min
DEC 12 JB670 EA-D fishpond training 1.50min
DEC 16 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (6) 7.45min
DEC 19 JB469 EA-B H2S training 2.05min
DEC 20 JB469 EA-B night flying test 35min
DEC 20 JB469 EA-B night ops FRANKFURT 6.00hrs
DEC 26 JB469 EA-B bombing (6 bombs)1.00hr
DEC 27 JB469 EA-B fighter affiliation 1.30min
DEC 28 JB469 EA-B H2S training 2.50min
DEC 29 JB469 EA-B air test 20min
DEC 29 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (7) 7.15min
JAN 1 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (8) 8.00hrs
JAN 2 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (9) 6.45min
JAN 3 JB469 EA-B STRADISHALL- base 55min
JAN 4 JB466 EA-A H2S traninig 2.25min (a/c lost 30/31/3/44 NURNBERG- fighter)
JAN 5 JB469 EA-B base-STRADISHALL-base 1.10min
JAN 5 JB469 EA-B night ops STETTIN, mining POMERANIUM BAY9.00hrs
JAN 10 JB469 EA-B H2S training 1.20min
JAN 24 JB714 EA-J H2S training 1.35min (a/c lost 10/6/44 ESTAMPES)
JAN 25 JB469 EA-B night flying test 20min
JAN 27 JB178 EA-V night ops BERLIN (10)8.35min (a/c lost 18/19/7/44 REVIGNEY - fighter)
JAN 28 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (11) 8.10-min
JAN 30 JB469 EA-B night flying test 30min
JAN 30 JB469 EA-B night ops BERLIN (12) 6.35min
FEB 1 JB469 EA-B H2S training 1.30min
FEB 2 JB469 EA-B H2S training 1.25min
FEB 3 JB399 EA-A gyro circus 1.30 (a/c scrapped 3/6/47)
FEB 4 JB399 EA-A fighter affiliation 1.20min
FEB 5 JB469 EA-B H2S bombing 4.05min
FEB 6 JB421 EA-K H2S bombing 2.50min (a/c lost 8/5/44)
FEB 8 JB469 EA-B H2S bombing 1.30min (a/c lost with new crew 20/21/2/44 LEIPZIG)
FEB 21 JB714 EA-J DUNHOLME-base 10min
FEB 21 JB466 EA-A DUNHOLME-base 15min

The period with 49Sqn concluded here and my Dad went on to an instructors course at Syerston and then Lulsgate Bottom and back to Syerston to instruct and then on to Bottesford instructing until JAN 8th 1945 when he finished his time in the UK and made his way back to Australia. He went on to a course ofphotographic recce at a place in Victoria (AUS) by the name of RAAF BAIRNSDALE. The plan being to convert to Mosquitos and become involved in the war against Japan. The war finished before the course did, so that did not come to be.

 


49 Squadron
- About Fiskerton
During January 1st/2nd 1943 - 49 Squadron moved from Scampton to Fiskerton 5 miles East of Lincoln.

Fiskerton was opened in January '43, but by September the concrete of the main runways had deteriated and was judged as unsafe. Flying operation were moved to Dunholm Lodge.There was not sufficient accomodation at Dunholm for the crews so they were ferried to and from Fiskerton by crewbus.

49 Squadron
Motto:
CAVE CANEM
(Beware Of The Dog)
Service:Served with 5 Group from outbreak to the end of the war, except for two periods of detachment with Coastal Command in early 1940.
Aircraft: Hampdens, Manchesters, Lancasters
Squadron Identity Code Letter(s): EA
Stations: Scampton, Fiskerton, Fulbeck
Operational Performance:
Raids Flown
5 Group Hampdens - 241 bombing, 82 minelaying, 19 leaflet
5 Group Manchesters - 4 bombing, 2 minelaying, 4 leaflet
5 Group Lancasters - 298 bombing, 21 minelaying, 3 leaflet
Totals : 543 bombing, 105 minelaying, 26 leaflet = 674 raids
Sorties and Losses:
5 Group Hampdens - 2636 sorties, 55 aircraft lost (2.1 percent)
5 Group Manchesters - 47 sorties, 6 aircraft lost (12.8 percent)
5 Group Lancasters - 3818 sorties, 102 aircraft lost (2.7 percent)

Totals : 6501 sorties, 163 aircraft lost (2.5 percent)
An additional 18 Lancasters were destroyed in crashes.
Points Of Interest:
On the first day of the war this operational squadron flew 3 Hampdens sorties in search of enemy shipping.
Served continuously with Bomber Command, except for two short periods until the end of the war.
They flew more Hampden sorties than any other squadron within Bomber Command.
Victoria Cross: Flight Lieutenant R.A.B. Learoyd, Dortmund-Ems Canal, 12/13 August 1940

RAF Fiskerton was one of a cluster of bomber airfields built within sight of Lincoln Cathedral. Building began in early 1942 and in November 1942 the first station personnel moved in. In January 1943 the Lancasters of 49 Squadron moved here from nearby RAF Scampton . The airfield at Fiskerton lay between the villages of Fiskerton and Reepham five miles east of Lincoln. There were three runways, laid in an A-pattern, and three hangers. Living accommodation consisted of a large number of Nissen huts which were dispersed around the camp.RAF Fiskerton was one of the first two airfields to be fitted with FIDO (Fog Investigation Dispersal Organisation). A burn of which could use almost 200,000 gallons of petrol.

Fiskerton (Lincolnshire)FIDO (Fog Dispersal Operation) Pundit Code.= FN - Height above sea level = 67

Opened January 1943
3 Concrete/Tarmac Runways. 3 Hangars
Opened as No 52 Base substation
49 sqdn (5 Gp) January 1943 - October 1944
576 sqdn (1 Gp) 31 October 1944 - 13 September 1945
150 Sqdn (1 Gp) 1 November 1944 - 23 November 1944
Fiskerton closed December 1945

Letters

Hi Chris,
I surfed into your family website through a search on Google, and was very impressed with it's content and layout. I was particularly interested in your uncle, and his crew member, J.G. Burrows who served in 49 Squadron.
They appear to have been contemporaries with my father, Sgt Ron Norman who was a wireless operator at Fiskerton, though in 'B' Flight. In the short article about his father, Andrew mentions that his father was sent to Stalag 1Vb, and arrived a few weeks after my father was interned there (he was shot down in October 1943) . Would you have an e-mail address for Andrew? It would be interesting to converse with him and share info about this era, or ask him to contact me on my home e-mail : normanea14@aol.com

Best Wishes, Ed Norman
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Chris
I am writing the memoirs of an ex 49/44 Squadron air gunner & stumbled across the Ashman in Kent site whilst carrying out research for this.
I felt I had to drop you a line to say how impressed I was with the site - very well laid out, informative, interesting and easy to navigate.
I would also like to congratulate you on the success you have had with your genealogy search. I own a 'people search/reunite' business and as part of this, employ a qualified genealogist.I can imagine the incredible amount of work you must have put in to achieve the success you have. Well done.
Regards
Lorraine Ramsey
lorraineramsey@fsmail.net

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Hi Chris
Re Fred Ashman and the Brunt crew. Excellent site, a very touching and moving account - a credit to the Brunt crew and all of those who gave their lives in Bomber Command.................................

Once again congratulations on your work,

Kind regards
JOHN WARD

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Hi Mr Ashman.
Im writing a book about RAF Fiskerton and wondered if you would like to contribute any material about your Uncle Sgt Fred Ashman? I found your site by browsing,and thought the write up about your uncle's crew was excellent. Hopefully you might have more information?
Please feel free to contact me for further information.
Many Thanks
Leighton Fisher
leightonfisher31@yahoo.co.uk

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Hello Chris,

I found your page from Google and found it very interesting and well put together.
My father Roy McCracken, was stationed at Fiskerton and Scampton an whilst flying from Fiskerton 29/30 march 1943 was shot down flying Lancaster ED435 EA-K. I would be most interested in any information you could provide me with to research his days at fiskerton especially the operations that he flew . I know he was shot down and was a POW with two other members of the crew and 3 were killed but little else.
I Would be grateful for any links or addresses that would help my research.
Many thanks
Andrew McCracken
andrew@mccracken227.fsbusiness.co.uk

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More essential reading
Martin Nichols has set up an interesting website about Fiskerton, the crews and the craft

A brief study of an old Bomber Command airfield in Lincolnshire.

http://www.fiskertonairfield.org.uk/index.html

Reproduced with thanks to Malcolm Barrass
'Air of Authority' www.rafweb.org Air Britain 18070
Thanks to www.rafweb.org
 

Credits in italics - extracted from the wonderful book of the history of 49 squadron
"Beware of The Dog at War" by John Ward ISBN - 0 9532252 0 8

Lancaster RW with thanks to Copyright DeltaWings Ltd

I was able to capture the NX611 Lancaster pictures curtesy of the gentleman Harold Panton
The Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre, East Kirkby, Near Spilsby, Lincolnshire PE23 4DE Tel. 01790 763207
Offers a great day out for the family + special attractions during the year including tours of the aircraft, engine runs
and the chance to taxi in the Lanc.
Call the above Telephone Number for dates and prices
Special thanks to Engineer Roy Jarman for the tour.