Gary came down to my club and taught his style which was Goju Kai karate. This style struck me as leaning towards more where I was coming from on the philosophical side of martial combat systems. So I moved across to Goju Kai with Gary and a little later we opened up clubs in Liverpool and Manchester."

"For me Goju was the real taste of traditional karate it had combat aspects and a full array of weapons, all linked in with a philosophical background, and was quite a way from the sporting connotations which were beginning to show through on the karate scene at that time. For a young Liverpool lad like myself who was out to Learn self defence, I didn't want a sport, I wanted something that would stop someone stabbing me on the streets of Toxteth, so for me Goju was the business."

"Goju Kai is a karate system with twelve Kata's which I wanted to learn; I wanted the complete system. But you have to remember this was thirty years ago you couldn't just pop off down your local video shop and grab the video. So I researched and explored every avenue, to the point where I was making plans to travel to Japan to the scource. Then Steve Cattle rang me and told me that there was a guy who had just come to this country named James Rousseau. He was a student of Hiagonna Sensei and Chinon Sensei and was going to set up clubs for Okinawan Goju-ryu. Upon hearing this I went to see him. I was one of the first black belts in this country to knock on James Rousseau's door." 

"Within months I had met Chinon Sensei, set up Okinawan Goju-ryu Clubs with James and became totally immersed in Goju ryu karate, needless to say, thanks to this turn of events I didn't have to go to Japan to further my studies. I want to point out at this stage a few things about Okinawan Karate

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