
Charles George BUTTNER was born abt. 1868 in Germany. He married Elizabeth KNIBBS 29 July 1908 in Lambeth, London, Middlesex, England. He died 14 April 1920 in SS Bingera, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. Elizabeth KNIBBS, daughter of Edwin William KNIBBS and Hannah WATERHOUSE , was born abt. 1878 in Stepney, London, England. She died 26 June 1949 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
| 1. Dorothy Marjorie Louise BAYLYN, b. abt. 1909 | |
| 2. Alma Elizabeth BAYLYN, b. Private | |
| 3. Walter BAYLYN, b. 27 June 1913 | |
| 4. William Edward BAYLYN, b. 30 November 1915 | |
| 5. Gladys Maud BAYLYN, b. 20 September 1920 |
Marriage Notes for Charles George BUTTNER\Elizabeth KNIBBS:
Elizabeth and Charles married at the registry office in Lambeth.
29 July 1908 in the registry office in Lambeth, age 30 years, spinster, living at 8 Parade Mansions, Cold Harbour Lane, Father was Edwin William Knibbs [deceased] , 2nd Officer Mercantile Marine.
Charles is aged 40 years, name is Charles George Buttner, [otherwise Chas Geo Buttner Baylyn] Bachelor, quartermaster Mercantile Marine , living at the same address ( !!,) father was Charles Augustus Buttner, a retired lighthouse keeper.
Notes for Charles George BUTTNER:
Also known as: Charles George Buttner BaylynThere is some uncertainty about Charles' surname. FreeBMD has it as BUTTNER-BAYLYN, but so far as I'm aware, his children all have the surname BAYLYN. Charles' death certificate has him as Charles George Buttning Baylyn so spelled differently and without the hyphen. The 1911 census return has him as Baylyn, the same as his wife and children, but he signed the schedule with Buttner-Baylyn.
Listed as born in Germany on 1911 census form, but shown as born in Kerry, Ireland on marriage certificate
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We can see Charles and his family at the 1911 census in England living at Howara" or "Hawora", Staplehurst, Kent:
Charles Baylyn Head 42 Married (for 3 years) Quarter Master Merchant Service Germany (British Subject Parentage)
Elizabeth Baylyn Wife 33 Married Stepney London
Dorothy Baylyn Daughter 2 Charlton Kent
Edith Packham Servant 14 General Servant (Domestic) Ganbrook Kent
Charles signed the census sheet as Charles G Buttner-Baylyn
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Charles aged about 3 years with his father Charles Augustus Buttner, and grandmother. (click to enlarge)
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Charles was a ship's engineer working aboard the steam ship SS Bingera which carried mail between Brisbane and North Queensland. He died aboard the ship as it approached Brisbane.
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Charles and his wife Elizabeth are both buried at Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
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Notes for Elizabeth KNIBBS:
Elizabeth was unmarried and living with her mother in 1901.
Hannah KNIBBS 55 Living on Own Means Blackfriars London
Elizabeth 23 Stepney London
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It was always believed within the Baylyn family that Elizabeth came from a reasonably financially well off family. During her childhood she learned the piano, had nice clothes, and didn't seem to have to work before she married at 30. Certainly, we can see that in 1891her mother Hannah, even though a widow for the past seven years, was identified as living on her own means in Lambeth, London.
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She emigrated to Australia in 1912 on the SS Roon via Hoek van Holland, taking her two daughters with her to join her husband Charles who was already there, working as a ship's engineer. They arrived in November. They lived at Watson's Bay, Sydney, NSW close to the harbour heads until 1919, when they moved Brisbane where they lived close to Moreton Bay.
Click to see the larger copy of Elizabeth, taken in 1947.
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We were told in 2008 by Elizabeth's daughter Alma, then aged 97, that in about 1912, whilst Elizabeth was living at Cold Harbour Lane, an old lady killed a baby with a hatchet in the rooms upstairs. The old lady was committed to an asylum, and just before Elizabeth and her daughters sailed for Australia, Elizabeth visited her at the asylum. Alma was only 12 months old and was on Elizabeth's lap, but the old lady grabbed Dorothy (then aged 3 years) and tried to throw her out of a first floor window, badly cutting her forehead. Two men in white took the old lady away and admonished Elizabeth for bring children into the ward. Alma said Dorothy had a mark on her forehead all her life. She believes the old lady was some relation of her father, Charles Buttner Baylyn.
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Alma also told us in 2008 that during the early 1940's a relation wrote to say that Elizabeth's sister Louisa had died and had left Elizabeth a legacy of a house [or a share of a house]. Elizabeth wrote back but received a letter from a solicitor to say that because of the war they couldn't sell "the houses" (Note: houses, so more than just one) as there was no market. The matter ended there as nothing else was heard. Alma still has the letter.
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Elizabeth is buried at Toowong Cemetary, Brisbane.
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Notes for Dorothy Marjorie Louise BAYLYN:
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Notes for Alma Elizabeth BAYLYN:
Also known as: CissyNotes for Walter BAYLYN:
Also known as: WallySources for Walter BAYLYN:
Notes for William Edward BAYLYN:
Also known as: BillBill married Olive Edna CHRISTIE, daughter of Herbert CHRISTIE and Elsie Florence Annie WATSON. Olive was born 1917 in NZ.
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Notes for Gladys Maud BAYLYN:
Glady married Thomas Joseph RYALL in1940 in Brisbane. Thomas was born 26 Mar 1920. He died during WWII in a bomb blast in 1940 in New Guinea.
Glady later married Lenard LUKE in 1946 and had two children, Janice and Ronald.
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