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If
you are reading this page then you obviously have an internet facility
and will probably have ventured onto the auction site Ebay. In basic
terms Ebay is an auction site where virtually anything can be bought
or sold. Once you have registered with Ebay you can spend it like Beckham!
From
my personal experience the vast majority of people buying and selling
on Ebay are honest and trustworthy. However, as in all walks of life,
there are some scum - those who only reason for being on Ebay is to
rip you off. I have been trading (buying and selling) on Ebay for the
last 5 years and in that time have found a number of scams and dubious
practices. I hate to see people being ripped off so the following is
intended as a 'rough guide' to buying on Ebay.
Remember...
if it looks like a fake it probably is a fake!
Autographs
This
is by far the biggest area of concern and, for the inexperienced buyer,
the biggest minefield.
A lot of people on Ebay are making a lot of money by faking autographs
- some fakes are obvious but many are very good. Unfortunately for Marc
fans his autograph is not the most difficult to fake and turns up on
a fairly regular basis on Ebay. A genuine Marc autograph will fetch
upwards of £100 depending on what it is signed on. Autographed
album sleeves have previously turned up in auctions but autographed
photos of Marc are, surprisingly, very rare. Rarer still are fully signed
T Rex items - these hardly ever turn up, and if you want a set of John's
Children or Marc and Steve Took autographs together you can keep on
dreaming!
What
to watch out for
'High
Bidder: User ID kept private'
Ask yourself WHY the seller would want to keep the identity of the bidders
private? Personally I think this option should be banned when listing
autographs as it is open to so much abuse. Sellers will, quite legitimately,
have more than one Ebay user name. With hidden ID they can bid against
themselves to either force up the price someone is willing to pay or
just to make an item look genuine - for arguements sake if an item you
are interested in has 20 bids from six different buyers then, if you
have any doubts about the items authenticity, you then begin to believe
that it must be genuine as it is generating so much interest from other
buyers.
Low
starting bids with no reserve price
If a Marc
autograph is worth £100+ then why run the risk of having to sell
it for £5 or £10? A forger can afford to sell it for £10
as it has not cost him/her anything.
Auction
duration / Buy It Now
Ebay have 1, 3, 5, 7 and 10 day auctions. Genuine sellers want to achieve
the maximum price for any given item so would not place an expensive
item on a a short time duration. Forgers are keen to shift items quickly
and often use short auctions. Ebay introduced 'Buy It Now' a few years
ago which helps sellers to shift items quickly. This works well when
the items sold are not one off items such as autographs. Sometimes the
Buy It Now price is considerably higher than the start price and reflects
the true value. If a Buy It Now price is suspiciously cheap then be
suspicious!
Certificate
of Authenticity
Certificate of Authenticities, or COA's as they are commonly referred
to, are usually a waste of paper. They are usually created, printed
and signed by the person who is selling the item - if someone is going
to the trouble of forging a signature then they have no qualms about
supplying a COA. If a seller is a member of a recognised body such as
UACC (more about that later) then a COA may add to the items value.
Beware of sellers issuing a COA for an item thay never saw signed -
their usual disclaimer is that they have obtained the item from a third
party. Most forgers are not that knowledgeable about the artists they
forge and are usually evasive when pushed for details regarding the
actual signing. Always request a receipt with the item - this probably
carries more weight with the law in the event that the item is later
proven to be fake. If a COA is issued it should carry a 'lifetime' guarantee
as a genuine autograph does does not 'expire' and become a fake after
a given period. Beware of sellers offering a refund on an items found
to be fake. On the surface it seems like a good gesture on their behalf
but it really means that they (a) know the item to be fake as they forged
it themselves, (b) suspect the item to be fake or (c) they have not
got a clue what they are selling. What the seller is really trying to
do is appear to be honest and to protect their feedback.
'History'
& 'Feedback'
Always check who has bid on the item and beware of too many bidders
with low or zero feedback. If you are suspicious about a seller then
go to the 'Feedback' section and then look at the last 6 (or more) items
sold by the seller. With these 6 items look at the 'History' and see
if the same buyer names turn up in the bidding history but never actually
win any of the auctions. Sometimes you will see a fake bidder retracting
their highest bid just before the end of the auction to make sure that
the genuine bidder pays their maximum bid amount - I have seen this
happen!
Always
check the 'Feedback' rating. If someone has less than 100% positive
feedback then try to find out why and what the problems were. Sometimes
genuine sellers end up with negative feedback through misunderstandings
or postal problems etc. I have seen sellers with 20 or more negative
feedbacks and have still bought from them as they had 5,000 or more
positives - it's all relative. However if a seller has negative feedback
relating to the authenticity of an item then do you really want to buy
autographs from him or her?
And
now for the 'Chicken Soup Story'...Recently I stumbled on a seller with
an item I was interested in and the seller had 100+ positives and no
negatives but suspicions were raised when I saw that he had only been
trading for less than a month. When I checked the items he had sold
via the 'Feedback' section I found he had sold over 100 chicken soup
recipes for $0.01 (1 cent). Some sellers will try to pass off fake items
with a seemingly good feedback rating. Buyer beware!
Usually
when someone has bid on an item then they have already convinced themself
that the item is genuine. In which case they will give a positive feedback
as long as they received the item in good condition and in a reasonable
timescale. Potential buyers who are aware that an autograph is a fake
simply do not bid and therefore cannot leave negative feedback.
Always
check what other items are for sale by the same seller - if a seller
has a lot of signed items and the starting prices are very low then
they are probably fakes.
Scans
of Autographs
If the seller does not show the autograph then request a scan. If you
cannot get to see a scan then AVOID! A seller will often show the autographed
item in the listing but it will be so small as to be impossible to tell
if it is genuine. I have never understood why someone selling a signed
LP sleeve will then show the full sleeve when the value of the sleeve
and the interest is in the autograph. Beware of sellers showing the
front cover of a book when the autograph is on the fly page - what are
they trying to hide? As always there are exceptions to the rule. Recently
a signed copy of Warlock of Love was for sale on Ebay yet the seller
only showed the front cover of the book - I requested a scan of the
autograph and much to my surprise it appeared to be genuine. Beware
of items signed in the dark areas of photos and sleeves - this is a
well used trick by the forgers to disguise that fact that it is a fake.
Authenticity
by Association
This
is not strictly related to Marc items but I thought it worthy of a mention.
How many times do you see either on Ebay or at an autograph fair a photo
of a celebrity with a autograph collector. I believe most people at
a memorabilia fair will see the signed picture of their favourite star;
see the picture of the guy behind the stall (the seller) with the celebrity
and assume that the autograph must be genuine. However a more cynical
person, such as myself, would think it MAY be genuine. If the guy behind
the stall had a mind to he or she could get one photo with the celebrity
and then forge another dozen or more - it would be that easy. Photos
with celebrities do not make a forged autograph genuine!
I read
an article a while back where a professional autograph hunter got to
meet Paul McCartney and requested an autograph and a picture with him.
McCartney, who is quite an astute fellow, said he could have either
but not both. The collector chose to have the autograph. In case you
were not aware - McCartneys autograph is hard to get and subsequently
quite valuable but is also heavily faked.
If
a seller on Ebay shows a picture of a celebrity signing an autograph
how do you know if that picture is showing the seller - do you know
what he or she looks like? A while ago I saw a signed Buzz Aldrin photo
on Ebay. The seller was in the UK and he showed a picture of Buzz signing
a book yet the item he was selling was a photo. The backdrop behind
Buzz related to a signing session to promote his latest book. A good
knowledge of your subject is important when trying to ascertain whether
an item is genuine. I know for a fact that Buzz has done a tour around
the USA to promote his book but I also know that he would NOT
sign any other item on a book promotion.
Dedicated
Autographs
Most people prefer to buy autographs which are undedicated. The vast
majority of Marc autographs are undedicated - and quite often without
any inscription other than the autograph itself. I cannot recall seeing
any fake dedicated Marc autographs. Some people are of the opinion that
a forger would not fake a dedicated autograph - I tend to disagree with
that as I have seen numerous Apollo/space related autographs which are
dedicated forgeries. Some signers will ONLY give out
dedicated autographs to stop, or reduce the value of, the autograph
in the event of it being sold. I know of one Apollo astronaut who for
some considerable time has not signed his official NASA portrait litho.
The signed copies which do exist from a while ago are invariably dedicated
- an undedicated autograph would be extremely rare.
Signed
Index Cards
A signed index card is simply a piece of white card, or other
type of plain paper, signed by a celebrity. Typically the signed item
is then mounted with a photo of the celebrity. Most people buying these
are happy to have an autograph and picture ready mounted and ready to
put in a frame. I have two main problems with these items. First of
all what you are buying is an autograph - the decoration around it is
virtually irrelevant to the actual value of the item. Sellers put them
into nice mounts with photos to simply make the item more attractive
to YOU and more sellable for THEM
- you are the quarry (a little Moz reference!). Secondly, would it not
be so easy for a forger to buy a box of new index cards, practice an
autograph and then simply sign a few cards - there are many, many examples
of this on Ebay. I always view signed index cards with a cynical eye.
However, there are always exceptions to the rule. If you collect historical
autographs then signed bits of paper, quite often clipped from the bottom
of a signed letter, are the only available samples. Such items are then
best presented mounted up with a photograph.
Marc
autographs on bits of paper do turn up on Ebay. Some are genuine and
some are fake. You probably already have examples of Marc's autograph
in your collection such as the Jackie poster and 1972 tour programme.
Look at these autographs and compare them to the ones being sold. Marc's
autograph was quite childlike but it was 'fluid' - not written with
hesitation as forged autographs are. Not all of Marc's autographs look
the same as his style of signing changed through the years - a 1977
autograph does not look the same as a 1972 autograph. I have chosen
not to show genuine samples of Marc's autographs as this is just more
ammunition for the forger to then create better fakes. The buyer has
to decide on whether an item is genuine or not - do not rely on information
from the seller regarding its authenticity or any COA they may issue
you.
I believe
the following two samples, taken from Ebay, to be FAKE. What do you
think, and more importantly HOW do you reach your conclusion.

Could
It Have Been Signed?
In recent years I have come across a handful of Marc 'signed' items
which simply could not be. I saw a 'signed' copy of Telegram Sam on
Ebay - it was removed when I pointed out to the seller that he was showing
Marc's autograph on a circa 1980 reissue copy of the single with (photographic)
picture sleeve. In an autograph shop in London, which has since disappeared,
I found a very nice 'signed' 10x8 pic of Marc circa 1977 - however the
photo credit at the bottom of the page was for the Marc Bolan Fan Club
in Trowbridge.
UACC
The Universal Autograph Collectors Club is one of the most respected
organisations for autograph dealers. There are two levels of membership
with UACC - 'member' and 'registered dealer'. The registered dealers
are vetted before acceptance and have to show their registered number
at Autograph fairs. Quite often they will sell on Ebay. Details about
registered dealers, such as contact details etc, can be found on the
UACC website (see links at the foot of this page).
Beware of sellers claiming to be UACC members - if they cannot prove
it then they are probably not.
Records
& Memorabilia
I have
recently seen a number of Tyrannosaurus Rex singles for sale with picture
sleeves. However on closer inspection these sleeves have turned out
to be the reprints made by Rumblings in the 80's. For the record, the
only Tyrannosaurus Rex singles to have picture sleeves were Debora,
One Inch Rock and King of the Rumbling Spires. These three sleeves were
only supplied with the PROMO versions of the singles. The standard copies
sold through shops had Regal Zonophone branded company sleeves. The
three promo sleeves are very rare and are usually found with the promo
singles - be suspicious of standard stock singles sold with promo sleeves
as they are probably the repro versions. I have listed the obvious differences
between the original promo sleeves and the reprinted sleeves below.
Debora
- sleeve is printed green on white paper
One Inch Rock - black and white sleeve (the most difficult
one to tell from the reprint version)
Pewter Suitor - there was no UK sleeve for this one
King of the Rumbling Spires - sleeve is black and white
with a scallop cut to the opening (not a straight cut as Rumblings version)
By The Light Of A Magical Moon - there was no UK sleeve
for this one
Other
Rumblings reprinted items such as the 'For the Lion...' programme have
turned up on Ebay in recent months - sometimes listed as reprinted but
often not. The original 'For the lion...' was printed dark brown on
cream paper and the Rumblings reprinted version was black on white paper.
White
label singles/albums are not always what they first appear to be. I
have seen some copies which looked as though the original labels had
been removed and replaced with white labels. Special caution should
be taken with the T Rex Wax Co/EMI UK albums. I have seen records advertised
simply as, for instance, 'white label Tanx LP'. When I have asked the
seller about the matrix number on the run out groove it transpires that
the white label is actually a Marc on Wax version of the album - and
consequently worth a fraction of a genuine 1970's EMI album!
Links
You
may find the following links interesting.
This
following sites have features on buying tips for autograph collectors
www.autographs101.com
www.autographica.co.uk
www.uacc.org
The
following link is to a page written by a guy who, like me, is sick of
seeing forged items on Ebay. He researched one seller and found out
what the seller had bought and then sold. The seller even bought the
pens to create the forgeries off Ebay! Thanks Brendan.
(NB This page may be deleted by Ebay in the near future)
http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=aj2k5
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