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I trained for a while, but halfheartedly, as a child, you have
many things to distract you. When I was about 14 or 15, I sat
in on an advanced class, and watched as the students used the
Mantis shock power to extinguish candle flames at a distance which
impressed me a great deal. I also witnessed my father allowing
students to strike him as hard as they could, without effect.
This was the first time I had witnessed the Iron Shirt training.
It was at this point that it captured my imagination, and I decided
to put more effort and concentration into my training.
Combat: Chow
Gar Mantis doesn't place the same emphasis on the heavy and lengthy
stance trainings that you come across in other systems such as
Shaolin Quan or Hung Gar. Even so, dealing with hardship and learning
to control pain are integral parts of the majority of Kung Fu
systems. What exercises did your father make you do which you
recall were particularly hard and unpleasant?
ICK: I used
to hate the conditioning exercises - especially the Gao Choi first
level Blood Sand Palm training - it hurt! I was never particularly
fond of body conditioning, but like anything, you overcome the
hardship and it becomes acceptable.
Combat: How
did the other students treat you - as the son of their Sifu? Was
there any preferential treatment?
ICK: Some
students were too nice - they didn't show their real face. Others
were keen to give me a hard time. Aggressive and arrogant - I
don't like this kind of attitude.
Combat: Do
you remember the moment that you began feeling happy with your
progress in Kung Fu? What was your first great achievement?
ICK: I first
noticed that my Kung Fu was improving when my Chy Sau (*an exercise
specifically designed to strengthen the bridge in Southern Mantis,
and to generate short range shock powers) became very strong.
In Chow Gar, the Iron Shirt is generated at the same time as the
shock powers. You cannot separate the two - when you have built
up your short range powers, you will have also built your Steel
jacket. Both are fundamental parts of the Chow Gar system.
Combat: Did
you go out to spar with different schools and styles?
ICK: Yes -
after about 1 year I went out to spar with other schools. The
schools in the area taught Wing Chun, and Hung Gar.
Combat: After
only 1 year - was your standard of Kung Fu high enough? How did
you feel about going out to schools which might be seen as rivals.
ICK: Its all
about confidence. If you feel at all nervous or concerned, then
this means that your Kung Fu is no good. When your Kung Fu is
of a good standard, fear does not even come into it. You will
be naturally confident.
Combat: Earlier
on you mentioned other students in your fathers class that appeared
aggressive. It is said that due to the methods involved, training
in Southern Mantis can make you aggressive. Is this true?
ICK: Southern
Mantis is an aggressive system, with no fancy techniques. Each
move is designed to inflict pain upon the opponent. Training aggressive
techniques regularly can often make you become aggressive.
Combat: Sifu
Ip, you are a practicing Buddhist, and you do not come across
as aggressive or arrogant. Having practiced Chow Gar for many
years, how do you find it possible to maintain a calm and humble
approach to life? Does Chow Gar have its own system of meditation?
ICK: Chow
Gar does have its own meditations, but they are at a very advanced
level. In addition to these, I practice my own meditation. Also,
the aggressive attitude passes as you progress further into the
art. Chow Gar is a very deep discipline, and in training it you
begin to realise many things - you will become wise. When you
become proficient in Chow Gar, you will know the Dao.
Combat: So
there is a spiritual aspect to Chow Gar Praying Mantis Kung Fu?
ICK: Most
definitely. When you have a high level of Kung Fu, you will develop
a deeper understanding. Poor standards only breed arrogance, greed
and competition. To become humble and honest is the way of Chow
Gar Mantis.
Combat: What
can you say about the techniques contained in the Chow Gar system?
ICK: Chow
Gar is a complete Traditional Kung Fu system , handed down from
Lao Sui to my father, and so to me. We have many hand forms and
weapons forms. The student will begin to develop their Steel Jacket
from day one, although will probably not recognise this fact.
The system uses short range 'shock powers' to deliver accurate
strikes to nerve points, although, as you can imagine, I have
to be satisfied that you are worthy of learning this kind of Kung
Fu, and the more dangerous techniques are taught much later on.
We have no Iron Palm - Chow Gar has a technique called Hui Sa
Jeun -or 'Blood Sand Palm'. This is an internally trained palm,
utilising the flow of internal energy when striking the opponent.
All techniques are designed to be used at close range.
Combat: On
the subject of internal energy, Sifu Ip, your Kung Fu has kept
you looking very young, and you appear to have a great deal of
energy. Your father, Grandmaster Ip, is 89 years old and still
remains in good health. What can you say about the internal aspect
to Chow Gar?
ICK: The power
used in our art comes from within the body, it doesn't rely upon
large muscles. The energy is stimulated when training the forms.
The aim is to bring the energy out from the body to the tips of
the fingers to be able to release the short range powers and to
be able to deflect the energy of your opponent. The energy of
most people is concentrated around the body, the shoulders and
chest and is weak. This is why when they get into fight, people
will tend to grab and wrestle using the energy that is close to
the body. The energy that we generate when training forms is also
what protects the body from strikes, and generates what is know
as the Steel Jacket. When this is properly developed, strikes
cannot hurt or harm you, keeping your body and organs safe from
injury and in good working order. This helps maintain a healthy
body and mind.
Combat: The
first form in Chow Gar, Saam Bo Jin, concentrates on dynamic tension
in the hands and feet, ie a 'hard' Chi Kung. Is the Chi Kung in
Chow Gar all hard?
ICK: Most
of the Chi Kung in our system is of a hard nature, but there are
soft Chi Kung trainings as well. The Swimming Dragons Form, taught
at a higher level, is a soft Chi Kung form.
CL: Sifu,
what weapons are taught as part of the Chow Gar system?
ICK: Chow
Gar has many weapons included as part of the advanced trainings.
We have pole, broadsword, butterfly knives, sai, and kwan.
Combat: Have
you ever had occasion to use your art?
ICK: Well,
one time back in about 1973, I was living in UK. I had not been
here very long, and I was working in a chinese restaurant, cooking
and cleaning. At that time, for some reason, it was common for
westerners to come to a chinese restaurant, and make trouble.
Often you would get men in the restaurant who would eat, and then
say that they would fight with the staff, and if they won, they
would not have to pay for the meal. If the staff won, then they
would pay. Anyway, one day I was in the kitchen and the manager
came out looking worried and said that there were some men making
trouble. They wanted to fight, but he didn't want to fight them,
so he asked the waiters, and they didn't want to either. So eventually,
he said 'Mr Ip will you fight these men?'. They had no idea that
I did Kung Fu at this time. I went out into the restaurant, they
were 3 navy men, drunk. I told them that they should pay for the
meal, as they had eaten it, not make trouble, and leave quickly.
They were
not content with this point of view - the loudest one wanted to
fight with me, and put up a boxing style guard. So I said OK,
we can fight. I came forward and struck out with a low level kick,
and as he leaned forward to protect himself, I used a palm to
his face. Nothing strong - just to teach him a lesson. Then as
his head came up, I used a shock power bridging technique and
sent him across the room into a table. After this, the men paid
for their meal and left quietly.
Before this,
nobody knew that I did Kung Fu, or who my father was. After the
incident in the restaurant, people approached me and asked me
to teach them. So eventually I set up a school here in UK.
Combat: Kung
Fu was very popular back then. Did you have many students?
ICK: I initially
had about 30 students, but this increased to about 50 in time.
Most of my students were English at this time.
Combat: How
did your peers feel about you breaking with tradition and teaching
non-Chinese?
ICK: I had
many complaints from the Chinese community, and other Kung Fu
Sifu. They wanted me to keep my Kung Fu amongst the Chinese only.
I told them that the colour of the face doesn't matter, its what
is inside that counts.
Combat: Sifu
Ip, to finish off, what do you feel is your aim in bringing Chow
Gar Praying Mantis Kung Fu to the UK?
ICK: As I
have already mentioned, my aim is to teach the real Chow Gar to
the people. My wish is to pass on the real system, so that Chow
Gar can continue on into the next generation. Kung Fu is more
than a fighting art, it is a way of life, and in learning, you
can achieve a much greater depth to your life. It should help
you build a better character, make you stronger and teach you
a better way to live. This is my aim in bringing Chow Gar to the
UK.
Combat: Sifu
Ip, thank you very much for your time.
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