Bain Baine
Bane Bayn Bayne Genealogy
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Dr Geoffrey Mann |
6 Patrick BAIN 1728-?
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Patrick BAIN was baptised in 1728 in the parish church of Fowlis Wester, Perth. His parents lived or worked at Carsehead farm about 1 mile from Fowlis. Patrick married Anna HALLEY from the neighbouring parish of Methven when he was 20, but no baptisms were recorded until 10 years after their marriage. They then baptised four children at Fowlis Wester between 1758 and 1764 while they were living at a farm called Fornought, close to Fowlis village. No further records are known. |
view map showing location of Fowlis Wester, Carsehead and Fornought
C=Christened
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11Aug1728 22May1748 20 29May1748 20 5Jun1748 20 ??? c1750 22 ??? c1755 27 2Apl1758 30 23Mch1760 32 4Apl1762 34 8Apl1764 36 |
C (as Peter) at Fowlis Wester son of Patrick BAYNE of Carlshead Milton m proclaimed for 1st time at Methven between Patr BAYNE of Fowlis and Anna
HALEY of Methven m proclaimed 2nd time Patrick BAIN & Anna HALLEY m at Methven son John born?? dau Catharine born?? dau Amelia C at Fowlis Wester; Patrick was in Fornaught dau Marjory C at Fowlis Wester; ; Patrick was in Fornaught son Patrick C at Fowlis Wester; ; Patrick was in Fornaught dau Anna C at Fowlis Wester; ; Patrick was in Fornaught |
b=born m=married d=died
C=Christened B=Buried
Patrick was
of Fowlis when he m in June 1748 and he subsequently lived at a farm called
Fornough in Fowlis Wester. There is no
suitable C of a Patrick BAIN at Fowlis, but a Peter BAIN was baptised
there in 1728:
C
11Aug1728 Peter BAYNE s Patrick BAYNE in Carlshead Milton
Carlshead
is only one mile from Fornough and Peter and Patrick are considered equivalent
names, so this is probably the correct baptism. It must be noted however that there are suitable C of Patrick in
the nearby parishes of Crieff and Dunning:
Dunning Patrick C
2Jne1723 s Patrick BAYNE & Elizabeth_KEDDIE
these parents married 1713 and
baptised Ninnian 1713?, John 1719, Agnes 1721, Patrick 1723, James 1727
Crieff Patrick b 16Jul1727 s Edward BAYN
Edward also baptised: Matthew
1721, Isabel 1723, Janet 1725, Patrick 1727
Crieff Patrick C 23Mch1729 s John BAYN
at least two John BAYNs were
baptising children at Crieff 1721-1739; but without the mother's names these
cannot be sorted; no children were named Amelia, Marjorie or Ann
Dunning is
some way from Fowlis, and the son of Edward at Crieff can probably be ruled out
as the names Edward/Matthew do not occur at Fowlis. The eldest known son of Patrick-6 was named Patrick, but there is
a possible earlier son named John (see Descendants, below), so the Crieff son
of John remains a possibility
At her
baptism at Fowlis Wester, the parents of Anna BAIN-5 were named as Patrick BAIN
and Anna HALLEY. There is no m to these
parents at Fowlis but there is a suitable m in the neighbouring parish of
Methven, about 5 miles along the main road from Fornought and 6 miles from
Fowlis. Since Patrick was recorded in
the Methven PR as "of Fowlis", this must be the correct marriage:
22May1748
Patr BAYNE in the parish of Fowlis and Ann HALY in this parish proclaimed in
order to marriage 1
29May1748
BAYNE & HALY proclaimed 2
5Jun1748 BAYNE & HALY proclaimed 3
No C to
Patrick BAIN and Anna HALLEY are found in the OPR index until the following at
Fowlis Wester:
C 2Apr1758 Amelia d Patrick BAINE in Fornaught
C
23Mar1760 Marjory d Patrick BAINE in Fornaught
C 4Apr1762 Patrick s Patrick BAINE &
Anna_HALLEY his spouse; in Fornaught
C 8Apr1764 Anna d Patrick BAINE &
Anna_HALLEY his spouse; in Fornaught
The first
of these baptisms is some 10 years after the marriage of Patrick and Anna was
proclaimed and it is possible that up to 3 or 4 children may have been born in
the period 1748-58 and either died before baptism or the record has been
lost. The only C to Peter or Patrick
BAIN in the OPR index in this period are at Dunblane: James 1747, Mary 1749,
Catharine 1751, Patrick 1753, Colin 1755.
Since James was baptised before the m and Dunblane is some way from
Fowlis it seems very unlikely that these are relevant. The Fowlis register is not defective in the
relevant period but the Methven register seems missing 1752 to 1758 (though the
OPR index has some entries); however, the period 1748 to 52 at Methven was
searched but no C to Patrick found.
Two BAIN m at Fowlis may refer to the
possible “missing” children of Patrick and Anna:
m 23Apr1773 John BAIN otp &
Margaret_HENDRIE otp [John
bc1750?]
m 21Nov1779 John_WILSON otp &
Catherine BAYNE otp proclaimed [Catherine bc1755?]
It is considered more likely however that
John BAIN was the son of Patrick & Isabel (C1728 Fowlis son of Patrick)
because he used the names Patrick and Isabel for his children even though this
implies an age at marriage of 45 (see family tree T0).
There are possible parents for Catharine in
nearby parishes: John & Ann of Blackford C John 1760, Cath 1758; John &
Janet of Monzie C John 1749, Cath 1759.
The mystery of the 10-year gap between the marriage of Patrick and Anna
and the baptism of their first known child remains unsolved. Also why was she called Amelia? The name persists through following generations,
but this is the first known occurrence.
no information; no burial records at Fowlis
