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16 August 2006

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Dr G.M.W.Mann.      Baytrees

Burnhams Rd,    Lt.Bookham

Surrey, U.K.           KT23 3AU

geoff.mann@btinternet.com

 

 

 

 

 

3 David JUSTICE 1837-1904

 

 

 

m Helen DINGWALL 1858

 

 

 

 

 

David JUSTICE was born in Milngavie about 6 miles North of Glasgow, but stated on all his marine records that he was born in Perth.  He was christened in the parish of New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, close to Milngavie.  Most of his brothers and sisters were christened in Glasgow, and David was living there in 1851 aged 15 in the district of Hutchesontown, near Gorbals, with his parents. 

 

In 1858 he married the girl next door, Helen DINGWALL, and moved to nearby Rose St.  David was now a turner (lathe operator) but within two years he began his career as a marine engineer, sailing to the Mediterranean from Glasgow.  A son and two daughters were born and baptised in Hutchesontown, Glasgow.  David sailed continuously from Glasgow to Europe and Canada and obtained his 2nd class certificate in 1866 still at 103 Rose St.

 

Shortly afterwards he began sailing from London, where he obtained his first class certificate in 1868 and then moved his family, first to Shadwell and then to Poplar, near the docks.  Some time later he moved to East Ham High St in Manor park.  Two more daughters were born in London. 

 

In 1888, when records ceased, he had been sailing regularly on Castle Line ships to South Africa for at least six years.  His two eldest daughters married marine engineers, but his two youngest married schoolmasters.  He died from a stroke in 1904 at his home in Manor Park.  Helen outlived him for 16 years, living at the same address with her married daughter Helen.

 

Nellie Stevenson, (Leah’s daughter-in-law) said he was "foreign looking"; but this must have been from photographs since she was born after his death.

 

 

 

 

 

EVENTS

                                         

 

           age

   DATE   DJ HD

 

                       EVENT

23Jan1837     

26Feb1837     

 6Jun1841  4  

30Mar1851 14  

 4Aug1855 18  

15Jul1858 21 19

 6Apr1859 22 20

 9Jan1860 23 21

27Apr1860 23 21

 7Apr1861 24 22

11May1861 24 22

17Dec1862 25 23

16May1863 26 24

19Oct1863 26 24

  Aug1866 29 27

18Sep1866 29 27

  Mar1868 31 29

     1868 31 29

     1868 31 29

 5Feb1871 34 32

 2Apr1871 34 32

27Dec1872 35 33

?    1880 43 41

 3Apr1881 44 42

 4Sep1883 46 44

 5Apr1891 54 52

21Dec1891 54 52

 2Apr1896 59 56

24Jul1897 60 57

31Mar1901 64 61

 2Sep1904 67 65

14Aug1917    78              

 8Apr1919    80

 5Mar1920    81

born at Milngavie, Stirlingshire (though he stated 23Jan1836 at Perth)

baptised at New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, son of David and Helen

living with family at Commercial Rd Glasgow Gorbals

living with family at 15 Commercial Rd Glasgow Gorbals; no occupation stated

registered the death of his 13 year old sister Helen from TB

m at 56 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow; DJ a turner at 15 Commercial Rd; Ellen a dom.servant at no16

dau Christina Campbell baptised Glasgow Hutchesontown

first service as engineer on ship; sailed to Mediterranean on  "Rebecca"

father died at 15 Commercial Rd from pneumonia

living at 103 Rose St with da Christina; David was an iron turner

son David baptised Glasgow Hutchesontown

applied for engineer's certificate; address: 103 Rose St, Hutchesontown Glasgow, LAN

2nd engineer's certificate of service issued

dau Helen McLean baptised Glasgow Hutchesontown

passed 2nd engineers exam and cert.of competency issued; address: 103 South Rose St, Glasgow

began sailing regularly from London

passed 1st eng. exam in London; address: 15 Upper Charlton St, London (home of John DINGWELL)

moved to London

dau Margaret Campbell born London

dau Leah Dingwall born at 100 Cowley St Shadwell

living at 100 Cowley St, Shadwell, with 4 daughters and son

mother died in Glasgow

began sailing on Castle Line ships to S Africa

living at 10 Bromley Hall Rd, Poplar; David at sea; Helen and all 5 children at home

David home between sailings, a witness to m of dau Christina to Roderick MORRISON a marine engineer

census not found; not in Bromley Hall Rd

David a witness to m of da Helen to John McLean KER, a marine engineer; Helen at 8 Lathorn Rd E.Ham

dau Leah m Frederick STEVENSON a schoolmaster

dau Margaret m William MARTIN a schoolmaster

living at 218 White Post Lane East Ham with widowed daughter Helen KERR; married dau Christina next door

David died of a stroke at 331 High St, Manor Park, East Ham

dau Christina Campbell MORRISON of Leigh on Sea died in Somerset; left all (£1445) to niece Helen KER

Helen made last will; address 331 High St East Ham; all (£880) to dau Helen Mclean GOODALL

Helen died at same address; death registered by daughter Helen also of same address

 

 

 

 

 

PRINCIPAL RECORDS

b=born  m=married  d=died

C=Christened       B=Buried

BIRTH

certificate

 

David's m certificate places him at 15 Commercial Rd Glasgow in 1858 aged 21 son of David and Helen McLEAN.  The 1851 census for this address has David there aged 14, born Kilpatrick, in Stirlingshire, son of David & Helen Justice.  There is a suitable baptism at New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire (next to border with Stirlingshire):

 

C 26Feb1837 David s David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN

 

The 1861 census gives David's birthplace as Milngavie, Stirlingshire, which is close to or within the parish of New Kilpatrick.  All this contrasts with David's statements on three separate engineers applications that he was born on 23Jan1836 at Perth PER.  No suitable baptism has been found at Perth, though his wife and parents had connections there.  Possibly he wanted to be a year older than he was, so gave a false date and birthplace to prevent any check with the parish register.  His census return of 1861 and his first marine application giving a different birthplace were only 18 months apart

 

MARRIAGE

 

The birth certificate of Leah DINGWALL-3 identifies her parents as David JUSTICE and Helen DINGWALL.  The London census returns for Leah's family suggest the m should have been about 1858 and David’s applications for engineers certificates in the 1860s gave his home address as Glasgow.  There is a suitable m in the Scottish General Register:

cerificate

 

David JUSTICE bch 21  15 Commercial Rd, Glasgow turner journeyman & Ellen DINGWALL spr 19 14 Commercial Rd, Glasgow domestic servant

parents: David JUSTICE printer, & Helen JUSTICE nee MCLEAN; William DINGWALL, builder; Christina DINGWALL nee CAMPBELL

witness: George JUSTICE; Isabella DRUMMOND   m 15Jul1858 at 56 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow after banns by minister of Gorbals parish church according to forms of Established Church of Scotland

 

DESCENDANTS

 

The London census shows Christina, David, and Helen born in Scotland;  Margaret (c1868) and Leah (c1871) born in London:

 

from the Glasgow Hutchesontown parish register and from Leah’s birth certificate:

 

b  6Apr1859 Christina Campbell  d David JUSTICE & Helen DINGWALL, Glasgow Hutchesontown;  [m Roderick MORRISON 1883]

b 11May1861 David               s David JUSTICE & Helen DINGWALL  Glasgow Hutchesontown;  [?m Nellie c1880?]

b 19Oct1863 Helen McLean        d David JUSTICE & Helen DINGWALL  Glasgow Hutchesontown;  [m John KER 1891]

b     c1868 Margaret Campbell                                     London                  [m Wm MARTIN 1897]

b  5Feb1871 Leah Dingwall                                         London                  [m Frederick W STEVENSON 1896]

 

birth certificate:

b  5Feb1871 Leah Dingwall, female, at 100 Cowley Rd

father:David JUSTICE engine driver in steamboat; mother:Helen JUSTICE nee DINGWALL

r 28Mar1871 by father David JUSTICE of 100 Cowley Street, St George in East at St Paul, St George East, MDX

 

marriage certificates:

 

Roderick MORRISON bch 25 marine engineer 10 Bromley Hall Rd, Bromley & Christina Campbell JUSTICE spr 24 10 Bromley Hall Rd, Bromley

fathers: Donald MORRISON mariner; David JUSTICE marine engineer; witness: D JUSTICE, A SCOTT

m 4Sep1883 by licence at Bath St Baptist Chapel, Poplar MDX

 

John McLean KER bch 32 marine engineer 8 Lathorn Rd, East Ham & Helen McLean JUSTICE spr 27 8 Lathorn Rd, East Ham

fathers: William KER printer; David JUSTICE, engineer;  witness: David JUSTICE, Christina MORRISON

m 21Dec1891 after banns at St John Baptist Church, East Ham ESS

 

m1941 m 21Aug1941 Alfred Alexander CANDY, full wdr farmer, Holcombe, & Helen Dingwall KER, full spr Holcombe

f: Edward Chales CANDY farmer, John Mclean KER marine engineer (deceased); w:M.D.MARTIN, W.WATSON, E.C.CANDY

at parish church of Holcombe, Somerset after banns

 

Frederick William STEVENSON bch 29 teacher Bromley & Leah Dingwall JUSTICE spr 24 Bromley

fathers: George Ogilvie STEVENSON engineer; David JUSTICE, engineer;  witness: Charles G TRILLO, Isabella STEVENSON

m 2Apr1896 after banns at parish church, Bromley St Leonard

 

William George MARTIN bch 30 schoolmaster Wilfred House, Plasket Grove; & Margaret Dingwall JUSTICE spr 26 1 Forsyth Terrace, White Post Lane

fathers: Jacob MARTIN mechanical engineer; David JUSTICE, naval engineer; witness: Helen Dingwall X KER, Christina Campbell MORRISON

m 24Jul1897 after banns at St John Baptist church, East Ham ESS

will of Christina MORRISON

 

Christina Campbell MORRISON of 2 Shakespeare Crescent, East Ham ESS s 10Apr1913 d 14Aug1917 p 31Jan1918

husband: Roderick MORRISON no bequest;niece/executrix: Helen Dingwall KER all (£1445)

witness: Charles JONES; John ROSE solicitors clerks; executor: Stanley HILLARY solicitor

 

from probate index: Christina Campbell MORRISON of Lewis House, Leigh on Sea d 14Aug1917 at Highbury Kilmersdon SOM

 

 

DEATH

certificates

d 2Sep1904 David JUSTICE male at 331 High St (North), Manor Park, East Ham, age 64, marine engineer (sea going); cerebral haemorrhage

r 2Sep1904 at North East Ham, West Ham by W G MARTIN son-in-law, pad, of 100 Byron Avenue, East Ham

 

d 5Mar1920 Helen Dingwall JUSTICE female at 331 High St (North), age 81, widow of David JUSTICE marine engineer (sea going); cardiac disease r 5Mar1920 at North East Ham, West Ham by H GOODALL daughter, in attendance, of 331 High St (North), Manor Park

will

Helen JUSTICE wid of 331 High St North East Ham ESS s 8Apr1919 d 5Mar1920 p 3May1920 all (£880) to dau/exec: Helen Mclean GOODALL wife of Frederick George GOODALL

witness: G H WARD 390 High St, East Ham picture-frame maker; L C NICOLL 82 Windsor Rd, Forest Gate ESS Capt. H M Army

 

CENSUS

 

1841 Glasgow, Commercial Rd, Little Govan district, Gorbals parish   644/2   enum dist 96 p7-8

 

David      JUSTICE            45  1796    ag lab                                          n

Helen      JUSTICE            40  1801                                                    n

Ann        JUSTICE            15  1826    cotton carder                                   n

Mary       JUSTICE            15  1826    cotton carder                                   y

George     JUSTICE            8   1833                                                    y

Jean       JUSTICE            6   1835                                                    n

David      JUSTICE            4   1837                                                    n

Marrion    JUSTICE            1   1840                                                    y

 

1851 Glasgow Hutchesontown, Gorbals parishsh, 15 Commercial Rd District 27 p6

 

David      JUSTICE     he mar 56  1794    machine printer                                 T.... PER

Helen      JUSTICE     wi mar 52  1798                                                    Fowlis PER

Mary       JUSTICE     da unm 23  1827    cotton weaver                                   Govan LKS

George     JUSTICE     so unm 18  1832    tinsmith                                        Govan LKS

Jean       JUSTICE     da unm 16  1834    cotton weaver                                   Kilpatrick STI

David      JUSTICE     so unm 14  1836                                                    Kilpatrick STI

Marion     JUSTICE     da unm 11  1839    scholar                                         Govan LKS

Helen      JUSTICE     da unm 9   1841    scholar                                         Govan LKS

 

1861 Glasgow, Hutchesonton, 103 Rose St   vol10 dist25 p14  [Parish of Govan; East side of Rose St, near Cumberland St]

 

David      JUSTICE     he mar 24  1837    iron turner                                 Milngavie, Stirlingshire

Helen D    JUSTICE     wi mar 22  1839                                                Perth, Perthshire

Christina  JUSTICE     da     2   1859                                                Glasgow

 

1871 100 Cowley St, St George East  RG10/534 f75

 

David      JUSTICE     he mar 35  1835    steamship engineer                              Scotland

Helen      JUSTICE     wi mar 32  1838                                                    Scotland

Christina  JUSTICE     da     11  1859    scholar                                         Scotland

David      JUSTICE     so     9   1861    scholar                                         Scotland

Helen      JUSTICE     da     7   1863    scholar                                         Scotland

Margaret   JUSTICE     da     2   1868                                                    St George in East MDX

Leah       JUSTICE     da     1m  1871                                                    St George in East MDX

 

1881 10 Bromley Hall Rd, Bromley St Leonards, Poplar RG11/502 f105

 

Ellen      JUSTICE     he mar 42  1838                                                    Scotland

Christina  JUSTICE     da unm 21  1859    dressmaker                                      Scotland

David      JUSTICE     so unm 19  1861    engineer E & M                                  Scotland

Ellen      JUSTICE     da unm 17  1863    scholar                                         Scotland

Margaret   JUSTICE     da unm 12  1868    scholar                                         Shadwell MDX

Leah       JUSTICE     da unm 10  1870    scholar                                         Shadwell MDX

 

1891 not found; not at Bromley Hall Rd

 

1901 East Ham, 218 White Post Lane  RG13/1598 f 28

 

David     JUSTICE he mar 64 1837 marine engineer       worker                  Scotland Perth

Helen     JUSTICE wi mar 62 1839                                               Scotland Perth

Helen     KERR    da wid 36 1867                                               Scotland Perth

Helen     KER     gd sin  8 1893                                                   ESS East Ham

1901 East Ham, 220 White Post Lane  RG13/1598 f 28

 

Frederick  MORRISON he mar 42 1859 marine engineer     worker                   Scotland Stornoway

Christina  MORRISON wi mar 41 1860                                              Scotland Glasgow

Elizabeth  BEACH    -- wid 67 1834 cook                                         London Poplar

 

 

OTHER

marine records

2nd Eng.Cert.of Service, application form and certificate, copies from Greenwich

 

David Justice b 23Jan1836 at Perth PER, 103 Rose St, Hutchesontown Glasgow, LAN

 17Dec1862 applied for engineer's certificate of service; application witnessed by John Adam of 69 Eglinton St Glasgow

  9Jan1860 to 26Feb1860 served as 1st eng.on "Rebecca" (137tons reg 27733 Glagow) to Mediterranean

 16May1863 2nd class certificate of sevice 591 issued

 

2nd Eng.Cert.of Competency: application form and certificate, copies from Greenwich

 

David Justice b 23Jan1836 at Perth PER

 16Aug1866 address: 103 South Rose St, Glasgow, applied to be examined for 2nd class engineer's certificate of competency

 16Aug1866 exam taken at Glasgow and passed

 18Aug1866 2nd class certificate of competency issued at Glasgow

 21Aug1866 exam certificate 7715 issued at Glasgow

 

  9Jan1860 - 25Feb1860 "Rebecca" 27735 Glasgow 40hp         1st 1m 16days  [served as 1st engineer for 1 month 16 Days]

 24Dec1862 - 10Jul1863 "Excelsior" 26004 Glasgow 55hp       2nd 6m 3d

 23Sep1863 - 12Dec1863 "William Connal" 44789 Glasgow 60hp  1st 2m 19d

  2Apr1864 - 12Nov1864 "Excelsior" 26004 Glasgow 55hp       1st 7m 7d

 25May1865 - 13Jun1865 "Stettin" 51068 Leith 120hp          2nd 19d

 15Sep1965 - 22Mar1866 "De Brus" 20789 Dublin 50hp          1st 6m 2d

  7Apr1866 - 23Jul1866 "William Penn" 49738 Waterford 300hp 2nd 3m 16d

 12Nov1864 - 19Apr1864 "Banjo" Gijon 90hp                   1st 5m 7d

 undated:    shop time with Messrs Randolph and Elden 4years 8m

 

1st Eng.Cert.of Competency ref:application form and certificate, copies from Greenwich imp

 

David Justice b 23Jan1836 at Perth PER

 

  3Mar1868 address: 15 Upper Charlton St, London applied to be examined for 1st class eng.cert.

  6Mar1868 exam taken and passed at London

  7Mar1868 1st class eng.cert. issued

 10Mar1868 exam certificate 7715 issued at London

 

 18Sep1866 - 15May1867 "Olga" 55471 Waterford 150hp 1st 7m 27d

 16May1866 -  6Jul1867 "Olga" 55471 Waterford 150hp 2nd 1m 20d

  8Jul1867 - 27Sep1867 "Olga" 55471 Waterford 150hp 2nd 2m 19d

 29Sep1867 -  2Mar1868 "Olga" 55471 Waterford 150hp 1st 5m  4d

 

Register of Service    [Registers contain details of voyages after granting of certificates, derived from Crew Lists

]

BT 141/3 index (Ref Room Press J): David Justice b1836 at Perth 89 certs: 591, 7715 [meaning of 89 not known it is not the port number of Perth}

 

BT 142/1 Register of Certificates of Service, Engineers

 

ship name & no.

 

Excelsior      11Jul1863 Glasgow-Mediterranean     [2E=2nd engineer]

26004 2E       27Aug1863 Spain-Glasgow

               31Jul1863 Rabat?-Glasgow

William Connel 30Dec1863 Bordeax-Glasgow

44789 E        23Sep1863 joined at Glasgow

               11Dec1863 dischaged at Glasgow

Rebecca         9Jan1860-25Feb1860

27733 E 

Excelsior      24Dec1862-15Jan1863

26004 2        29Jan1863-11Jul1863

                8Jul1864 Gabon-Glasgow

                2Apr1864 joined at Glasgow

               11Jul1864 Glasgow-foreign

                1Aug1864 Bordeax-Glasgow

                2Aug1864 Glasgow-foreign

               10Jan1865 Bordeax-Glasgow

               14Jan1865 discharged Glasgow

Stettin        27May1865 Glasgow-Leith

51063 E        16Jun1865 Glasgow-Leith discharged

                6Jul1865 Leith

De Brus        14Feb1866 Oporto &c-Dublin

20798 1E       15Sep1865 joined Dublin

               23Feb1866 Glasgow-Oporto-Glasgow

               23Mar1866 Oporto-Glasgow

William Penn    7Apr1866 Glasgow-Le Havre-New York

49738 2E       31May1866 New York-Glasgow

                2Jun1866 London-Le Havre-NewYork

               25Jul1866 New York-London

               Received Cert of Competency 7715

 

BT 139/3 Register of Certificates of Competency

 

Olga  1E       18Sep1866-31Dec1866

55471 2E       16May1867 London-foreign

                6Jul1867 Oporto-London

      1E        1Jan1867-15May1867

      2E        8Jul1867 London-foreign

               27Sep1867 Oporto-London

      1E       29Sep1867-31Dec1867

      1E        1Jan1868-30Jun1868

                6Jul1868-29Sep1868

               30Sep1868-31Dec1868

      1E        5Jan1869-18Jun1869

                9Jul1869-31Dec1869

                4Jan1870- 5Apr1870

Medway         12Apr1870 London-Quebec

52791           4Jun1870 Quebec-London

                8Jun1870 London-Montreal

               28Jul1870 Montreal-London

                4Aug1870 London-Quebec

               21Sep1870 Quebec-London

               30Sep1870 London-Quebec

               23Nov1870 Quebec-London

       2E       7Feb1871 London-St Nazaire

                8Mar1871 St Nazaire-London

               11Apr1871 London-Montreal

               31May1871 Montreal-London

               13Jun1871 London-Quebec

               21Sep1871 Quebec-London

               30Sep1871 London-Cape Town

               17Apr1872 Cape Town-London

         E     23Apr1872 London-Quebec

               14Jun1872 Quebec-London

               24Jun1872 London-Montreal

                8Aug1872 Montreal-London

               19Aug1872 London-Halifax

                9Oct1872 Halifax-London

               14Oct1872 London-Montreal

                8Dec1872 Montreal-London

 

BT 139/2 Register of Certificates of Competence

 

Drummond Castle London-Cape Cape-London

82861   1E      27Feb1883    8May1883

                 6Jun1883   14Aug1883

                12Sep1883   16Nov1883

                 4Dec1883    7Feb1884

                11Mar1884   14May1884

                10Jun1884   14Aug1884

                 4Mar1885    7May1885

                10Jun1885   14Aug1885

                 2Sep1885    5Nov1885

                25Nov1885   28Jan1886

Garth Castle    17Mar1886   18May1886

82849    1E      9Jun1886   11Aug1886

                 1Sep1886    3Nov1886

                 8Dec1886   10Feb1887

                 2Mar1887    4May1887

                26May1887   28Jul1887

                31Aug1887    3Nov1887

Pembroke Castle 23Nov1887   25Jan1888

87157    1E     29Feb1888   13May1888

                10May1888

census

1891 East Ham, 1 High St, 2 Station Houses     RG12/1340 f155

 

Nellie     JUSTICE     wi mar 27  1864                                                    Poplar

Nellie G   JUSTICE     da     9   1882    scholar                                         Chelsea

May E      JUSTICE     da     7   1884    scholar                                         W.Kensington

 

Is Nellie the wife of David JUSTICE, born 1861, son of David the marine engineer?

 

 

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