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16 August 2006

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Dr G.M.W.Mann.      Baytrees

Burnhams Rd,    Lt.Bookham

Surrey, U.K.           KT23 3AU

geoff.mann@btinternet.com

 

 

 

 

 

4 David JUSTICE 1791-1860

 

 

m Helen McLEAN 1821

 

 

 

 

 

 

David JUSTICE was christened on 18Dec1791 in Tibbermore church about 4 miles west of Perth, the son of a blacksmith of Newhouse farm.

 

There is a family story that David was the gatekeeper of Balhousie Castle which is in Perth about 2 miles from Newhouse, but there are no further records of him until the banns of his marriage to Helen MCLEAN were proclaimed in Tibbermore in June 1821 when he was 29.

 

Two children were baptised in Tibbermore, but at least one of them died young.  At this time they lived at Ruthvenfield, just across the fields from Newhouse.  Ruthvenfield was famed for its bleach works and fields and David worked there as a bleacher and textile printer.

 

David and Helen then moved some 50 miles to Glasgow but David remained a textile printer.  Four more children were baptised in the parish of Gorbals.  The next move was to Kilpatrick, about 7 miles down the Clyde, but they were there for only 3 or 4 years before moving back to Glasgow.  Two children were baptised at Kilpatrick, but at least one of them (David) was actually born in nearby Milngavie.   David's brother, John, made all these moves with David, from Tibbermore to Glasgow to Kilpatrick and back to Glasgow.

 

David spent the rest of his life at 15 Commercial Rd in the Glasgow district of Hutchesontown.  His occupation was a machine printer of textiles.  Two more daughters were born, one of whom died of TB aged 13.

 

David died of pneumonia in 1860 aged 68.  Helen outlived him for 12 years, dying of cancer at 94 King St, in the neighbouring district of Calton aged 74.

 

 

 

 

EVENTS

C=Christened

 

           age

   DATE   DJ HM

 

                       EVENT

18Dec1791     

 3Jun1821 29 22

 9Jan1822 30 23

 7Apr1824 32 25

              

     1827 35 28

20Jul1828 36 29

26Sep1830 38 31

29Jul1832 40 33

              

20Jul1834 42 35

26Feb1837 45 38

              

 5Apr1840 48 41

 6Jun1841 49 42

     1842 50 43

23Nov1849 57 50

30Mar1851 59 52

 4Aug1855 63 56

15Jul1858 66 59

27Apr1860 68 61

28Apr1860    61

 7Apr1861    62

 2Apr1871    72

27Dec1872    74

David C at Tibbermore, Perth son of James JUSTICE, blacksmith, & Mary LENOX

m Helen McLEAN at Tibbermore, Perth

dau Ann C at Tibbermore; David was a bleacher of Ruthvenfield

son James C at Tibbermore; David a printer of Ruthvenfield

moved to Glasgow

dau Mary born at Glasgow

dau Amelia born at Tradeston, Glasgow, and C at Gorbals parish church

son James C at Gorbals

son George C at Gorbals

moved to Milngavie, Stirlingshire

dau Jean C at New Kilpatrick

son David C at New Kilpatrick

returned to Glasgow

dau Marion C at Gorbals

living at 15 Commercial Rd Gorbals with Helen and 6 children; David an ag lab

dau Helen born at 15 Commercial Rd, Govan

dau Amelia m at Gorbals

living at 15 Commercial Rd Glasgow Gorbals with 6 children; David a machine printer

dau Helen died at 15 Commercial Rd from TB aged 13

son David m Helen DINGWALL of 14 Commercial Rd; David a printer of 15 Commercial Rd

David Justice, calico printer, died at 15 Commercial Rd from pneumonia

death registered by daughter Mary at Hutchesontown Glasgow

Helen living in Commercial Rd with 4 children and a granddaughter

census not found

Helen died at 94 King St, Calton, Glasgow from a growth

 

 

 

PRINCIPAL RECORDS

b=born  m=married  d=died

C=Christened       B=Buried

BIRTH

 

Birth David's death certificate identifies his parents as James JUSTICE and Mary LENOX, born about 1792; the census suggests he was born at Tibbermore, Perthshire about 1794.  The Tibbermore OPR has the following entry:

 

C 18Dec1791 David s James JUSTICE & Mary LENOX

 

MARRIAGE

 

The m certificate of David-3 (marine engineer) identifies his parents as David JUSTICE (a printer) and Helen McLEAN, and the 1851 census gives his father's place of birth as Tibermuir.  There is a suitable m at Tibbermore, Perth:

 

m 10Jun1821 David JUSTICE otp & Helen MCLEAN otp proclaimed 3,10Jun

 

DESCENDANTS

 

From registers of Tibbermore, Perth, Glasgow, and Kilpatrick; also from census data:

 

C  9Jan1822 Ann     d David JUSTICE, bleacher & Helen MCLEAN his wife, Ruthvenfield; b 7Jun1822; from Tibbermore PR

C  7Apr1824 James   s David JUSTICE, printer & Helen MCLEAN his wife, Ruthvenfield; b 4Apr1824; from Tibbermore PR

b     c1827 Mary JUSTICE at Govan                    (from census)

C 27Jul1828 Amelia  d David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN  in Tradeston b 20Jul1828; from Gorbals PR

C 26Sep1830 James   s David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN; Gorbals OPR index

C 29Jul1832 George  s David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN; Gorbals OPR index

C 20Jul1834 Jean    d David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN at Milngavie b 26Jun1834; from New Kilpatrick PR

C 26Feb1837 David   s David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN at Milngavie B 23Jan1837; from New Kilpatrick PR

C  5Apr1840 Marion  d David JUSTICE & Helen MCLEAN; Gorbals OPR index

b     c1842 Helen JUSTICE at 15 Commercial Rd, Govan (from census and death certificate)

 

death certificate

d  4Aug1855 Helen Justice 4.30pm at 15 Commercial Rd Glasgow age 13; cause phthisis 6 months; born 15 Commercial Rd Glasgow;

            buried Southern Necropolis Glasgow; father: David Justice flat press printer; mother: Helen Justice nee McLean

r  6Aug1855 by brother David Justice at Glasgow

 

DEATH

certificate:

 

d 27Apr1860 David Justice mar, 4.30pm at 15 Commercial Rd Glasgow age 68, calico printer journeyman; cause pneumonia 12 days

            buried Southern Necropolis Glasgow; father: James Justice dec blacksmith (master); mother: Mary Justice dec nee Lennox

r 28Apr1860 by daughter Mary Justice at Hutchesontown Glasgow

 

d 27Dec1872 Helen Justice wid 5.15am at 94 King St Glasgow age 74, cause inward growth in stomach 5 weeks

            father: John McLean dec ploughman; mother: Anne McLean dec nee Bain; husband: David Justice dec calico printer

r 28Dec1872 by daughter Marion Justice at Calton Glasgow

 

CENSUS

 

1841 Glasgow, Commercial Rd, Little Govan district, Gorbals parish 644/2 enum dist 96 p7-8

 

David      JUSTICE            45  1796    ag lab                                          n

Helen      JUSTICE            40  1801                                                    n

Ann        JUSTICE            15  1826    cotton carder                                   n

Mary       JUSTICE            15  1826    cotton carder                                   y

George     JUSTICE            8   1833                                                    y

Jean       JUSTICE            6   1835                                                    n

David      JUSTICE            4   1837                                                    n

Marrion    JUSTICE            1   1840                                                    y

 

1851 Glasgow Hutchesontown, Gorbals psh, 15 Commercial Rd District 27 p6

 

David      JUSTICE     he mar 56  1795    machine printer                                 T..muir PER

Helen      JUSTICE     wi mar 52  1798                                                    Fowlis PER

Mary       JUSTICE     da unm 23  1827    cotton weaver                                   Govan LKS

George     JUSTICE     so unm 18  1832    tinsmith                                        Govan LKS

Jean       JUSTICE     da unm 16  1834    cotton weaver                                   Kilpatrick STI

David      JUSTICE     so unm 14  1836                                                    Kilpatrick STI

Marion     JUSTICE     da unm 11  1839    scholar                                         Govan LKS

Helen      JUSTICE     da unm 9   1841    scholar                                         Govan LKS

 

1861 Glasgow, Hutchesonton, Commercial Rd vol10 dist3 p3

 

Helen      JUSTICE     he wid 62  1799                                                    Perthshire

Mary       JUSTICE     da unm 34  1827    power loom weaver                               Glasgow

George     JUSTICE     so unm 28  1833    tinsmith                                        Glasgow

Jean       JUSTICE     da unm 26  1835    power loom weaver                               Glasgow

Marian     JUSTICE     da unm 21  1840    power loom weaver                               Glasgow

Helan      KAY         gd unm 8   1853    scholar             [error for HAY?]            Glasgow

 

 

OTHER

 

article published in the Tay valley Family History Journal

 

Amelia Justice, Balhousie Castle, and the Earl of Kinnoul  by Dr. Geoffrey Mann (No 998)

 

My wife's gr.great aunt Amelia JUSTICE was "the daughter of the gatekeeper at Balhousie Castle" - so the family legend claimed - "and married the son of the Earl of Kinnoul!"  This fascinating story was not known in my wife's branch of the family but came to us only after making contact with a direct descendant of Amelia in Australia.  We treated the story with the usual suspicion given to family legends because we knew Amelia was born and brought up in the Gorbals of Glasgow.  One of a family of ten children, her father, David JUSTICE, was not a romantic castle gatekeeper, but a calico printer living in Glasgow's Commercial Rd.

 

David died in 1860 and his death certificate gave his parents as James JUSTICE and Mary LENNOX, while the 1851 census showed he was born in Tibbermore, Perth.  The Tibbermore parish register provided David's baptism in 1791, his marriage to Helen MCLEAN in 1821, and the baptism of their first two children Ann and James JUSTICE in 1822 and 1824.  Fortunately, the register also stated that David was a bleacher and printer of Ruthvenfield while his father was "in Newhouse of Huntingtour".  All these places are on the ordnance survey near Perth, so it was time to visit that fair city.

 

Newhouse, where David was born, is a farm some two miles from Perth.  David's father was a blacksmith, and my wife and I wandered around some of the disused buildings, wondering which might have been the smithy where David's father worked.  Half a mile across the fields lay the ancient castle of Huntingtower and beyond that the now disused bleach fields for which Ruthvenfield was once renowned.  The neat rows of worker's cottages and the tower of the bleach works are all that remain.  David worked there for at least two years before moving to Glasgow to continue his trade.

 

But then the family legend came to life!  We found Balhousie Castle in Perth, just two miles down the hill from Ruthvenfield.  For all we knew previously it could have been anywhere in Scotland, but to find it so close to David's workplace could not be coincidence.  David Justice was 30 years old when he was working at Ruthvenfield.  Did he travel the two miles to be gatekeeper before he became a bleacher - or did he moonlight the gatekeeper's job to supplement a bleacher's pay?

 

Balhousie Castle is now the Museum of the Black Watch Regiment (see TVFH September 1997).  We joined the tourists and spoke to the curator.  He showed us a picture of the derelict state of the Castle in the last century when David may have been the gatekeeper.  We also learned that it was owned by the Earl of Kinnoul - whose son Amelia was supposed to have married!  We knew Amelia had married John HAY, so it was with added surprise that we heard from the curator that HAY is the family name of the Earls of Kinnoul.  Was the story true after all?

 

Through the Tay Valley FHS, we have now been in touch with another descendant of Amelia, Margaret BULMER (nee THOMSON). Margaret had a photograph of Amelia and had found that she married three times in Glasgow - to John HAY in 1849, James MCKENZIE in 1862 and Peter WHITELAW in 1871. Her first husband, John HAY, was a woodcarver and pianoframe maker in Glasgow.  He died at an early age and Amelia must then have had a hard time, because her daughter Helen was brought up by her grandparents, while her only son William HAY sailed to Australia without her at the tender age of 11. He went in 1861 with his uncle and aunt, John & Ann SIMMIE. He did well in Australia and must have treasured the story about the mother he left behind in Scotland, since it was passed down to his gr.granddaughter, our Australian correspondent.

 

So was John HAY a son of the Earl of Kinnoul?  It seems unlikely - but then so did the story of the castle gatekeeper and that is probably true!  The research continues.

 

 

 

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