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Smith Genealogy
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21 August 2006 |
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Dr G.M.W.Mann. Baytrees Burnhams Rd, Lt.Bookham Surrey, U.K. KT23 3AU |
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8 John SMITH c1700-1776?
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1m Hannah SULLINS 1744; 2m Elizabeth BETTS 1751
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John was born about 1700, the eldest son of John & Jane, though no record of his birth or baptism has been found, as his parents were almost certainly religious dissenters. In 1744 he married Hannah SULLINS at Writtle parish church; Hannah was of Good Easter and John was of Gt.Waltham. Four daughters were born but not baptised in church. Hannah died in 1750 and John married Elizabeth BETTS at Gt.Bardfield in 1751. The family was now returning to the established church, and a son John was baptised at Gt.Waltham the same year. John probably died in 1776 and buried in Stebbing quaker burial ground, perhaps because he was not baptised. He was then at Forth End, a detached village in Gt.Waltham |
C=Christened
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age DATE JS EB |
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c1700 29May1744
47 c1745 48 c1746 49 c1747 50 c1748 51 13Oct1750
53 21Mar1751
54 10Nov1751
54 15Jan1765
68 5Apr1768 71 22Dec1768
71 10Oct1772
75 19Jul1775
78 13Jan1776 79 |
John born m Hannah SULLINS of Good Easter by license at Writtle; John "of
Much Waltham" dau Mary born dau Elizabeth born dau Hannah born dau Ann born the wife of John SMITH buried at Gt.Waltham m Elizabeth BETTS at Gt.Bardfield son John C at Gt.Waltham dau Mary m James STOCK at Gt.W; wit:John SMITH dau Ann m John BEDWELL at Gt.W dau Hannah m Simon SNOW at Gt.W; wit Elizabeth SMITH dau Mary m Joseph SHELTON quaker; John a farmer of Gt.W; John SMITH
witness son John SMITH m Ann SADLER at Lt Waltham John SMITH of Forth End, Gt.Waltham died (buried at Stebbing quaker
burial ground 18Jan) |
b=born m=married d=died
C=Christened B=Buried
John-8 was
first married in 1744 and probably died in 1776, but no indication of age in
either event. He is known to be the
eldest brother of Peter of Stonage, whose will names John and two other
brothers, Abraham and Thomas (see John SMITH-7)
The names
of two sisters of Peter of Stonage, and the names of their parents, John &
Jane, can be deduced from two quaker marriages:
m 14Apr1724 Samuel JOSLIN of Felsted &
Jane SMITH of Waltham Magna declared intention to marry; consent of parents by
verbal declaration of
Jno SMITH of Waltham Magna and Jane his wife. [The marriage itself was not found by me, but is in
the IGI on 9May1724]
m 18Aug1728 Thomas PETTIT of Chicknall son
of Thomas PETTIT of Feering & Mary SMITH da of Jno SMITH of Waltham MAGNA;
relations: John SMITH, Jane SMITH, John SMITH jun,
Joseph SMITH, Samuel JOSCELIN, Jane JOSCELIN
According
to quaker records, Samuel & Jane JOSLIN had four children born in
Felsted: Jane 1725-10-6, Samuel 1727,
Sarah 1730/1-12-17, Peter 1733-2-2, before they moved to Gt.Waltham where
Susannah, 1736-11-29, and John 1739-6-17 were born. In his will, Samuel JOSLING, farmer of Gt.Waltham, named Peter
SMITH of Little Waltham as his brother-in-law and executor. The will was signed in 1777 and proved the
next year.
Seven
years after Samuel died, Peter SMITH named three JOSLING beneficiaries in his
will: Samuel, Peter and John (see John-7
records). He gave them and their wives £10 each and £5
to all their children, which is exactly the amounts he gave to all his other
nephews. These beneficiaries are surely
the three sons of Samuel named in age order, even though he described Samuel as
his "cousin".
The second
marriage shows that Mary SMITH was a sister of Jane:
Thus it
can be concluded that John and Jane of Gt.Waltham were the parents of Jane and
Mary, and hence also parents of Peter and his brothers John, Abraham and
Thomas. The only suitable m of John
& Jane found so far was in 1695 at Brentwood some 15 miles south of
Waltham. If this is confirmed, a birth
date of around 1697 is indicated for eldest son John.
From
marriage and other considerations the children of John & Jane were all born
around the first decade of the 1700s but no baptisms have been found. There is a baptism of John with a brother
Peter at Lt.Waltham, sons of Michael & Elizabeth SMITH, in 1705 and 1707
respectively, but none of Abraham or
Thomas; moreover this Peter is older than John which makes these baptisms
unlikely to be correct as it is known for sure that John was the eldest of the
brothers.
Peter's
will mentions 14 nephews by name, but only 4 baptisms have been found: three
children of Abraham were baptised as adults at Gt.Waltham in 1746 and 1751, and
John-7 was baptised at Gt.Waltham in 1751.
The adult baptisms suggest the family were dissenters. Peter was certainly buried in a quaker
burial ground, and probably John and Thomas also; John, son of Abraham was also
buried in a quaker cemetery though he was noted as not a member. John-8's parents, John & Jane, were also
buried in the quaker ground in 1754 and 1756.
The most
likely explanation for burial in the quaker ground even though not quakers is
that they were unbaptised dissenters.
It seems unlikely therefore that the baptism of John-8 will be found in
parish registers, and his birth has not been found in quaker records.
It is believed
that John-7 was baptised at Gt.Waltham 10Nov1751 son of John &
Elizabeth. However it is known from the
will of his uncle Peter SMITH of Stonage (see John SMITH-7), that John’s father also had 4
daughters: Ann BEDALL, Elizabeth SHELTON, Mary STOCK, Hannah SNOW. The m of all these have been found (see
below) but not their baptisms. The
quaker record of Elizabeth's m in Oct1772 shows she was the dau of John and Hannah
deceased and there is a suitable marriage prior to 1751:
m 29May1744 John SMITH of Much Waltham
& Hannah SULLINS of Good Easter by license at Writtle
There are
two possible explanations for the name of John’s wife being Hannah and not
Elizabeth:
1)
Since
the baptisms of the 4 daughters have not been found (non-conformism is a likely
explanation) then perhaps John-7 was also a son of John & Hannah whose
baptism has not been found, and that the 1751 baptism to John & Elizabeth
is of someone else
2)
John
m first Hannah SULLINS in 1744 and remarried Elizabeth probably about
1750. If this is the correct
explanation, there should be a burial of Hannah between these dates and a
remarriage of John to Elizabeth.
The burial
of the "wife of John SMITH" at Gt.Waltham 13Oct1750 (13 months before
the baptism of John by the second wife) and a suitable John/Elizabeth marriage
5 months later suggests this second explanation is correct:
m 21Mar1750/1 John SMITH & Elizabeth
BETTS at Gt.Bardfield (from transcript)
note also
that Elizabeth SMITH witnessed the m of daughter Hannah
The will
of John’s uncle, Peter SMITH of Stonage notes that John-8 had a son John and 4
daughters; marriages of the daughters are as follows:
Ann
m 5Apr1768 John BEDWELL of Felsted at Gt.waltham
Elizabeth m10Oct1772 Joseph SHELTON d of
John, farmer of Gt.W and wife Hannah deceased (Witham Quakers)
d20Dec1805 Elizabeth SHELTON of Springfield, wife of Joseph, age 59 [b1747}] (Witham Quakers)
Mary
m15Jan1765 James STOCK of Gt.Waltham; wit:John SMITH at Gt.Waltham
Hannah
19Dec1768 Simon SNOW bch 24 of Gt Waltham farmer & Hannah SMITH spr
21 of Gt Waltham at Gt Waltham (m.licence)
m22Dec1768 Simon SNOW of Gt.Waltham; wit Elizabeth SMITH at Gt.Waltham
B1808 Hannah SNOW age 61 Gt.W MI
[bc1747]
They were
named in this order in the will, but it is difficult to make this an age order
since both Elizabeth and Hannah were born about 1747 and Mary would have been
born before Jan 1747 if she were just 18 at marriage. A possible arrangement
is: Mary 1745, Elizabeth 1746, Hannah 1747, Ann 1748
Celia KEMP
has made a lonng search for the baptism of daughter Hannah in Essex parish
registers without success. In view of
the quaker burial of Peter SMITH and other members of the family, and the adult
baptisms of their cousins, children of Abraham, John's children were very
probably baptised in a dissenting congregation or not at all. By the mid 1700s however many dissenting
congregations had ceased or returned to the parish church. It is not unreasonable therefore that John's
son by his second m should be baptised in the normal way:
C 10Nov1751 John s John & Elizabeth
SMITH at Gt.Waltham
John was
not noted as deceased in the 1772 m of his daughter, but died before brother
Peter nade his will in 1784. No
suitable burial of John found at Gt or Lt Waltham, but there is a possible
quaker burial:
d 13Jan1776 John SMITH of Forth End,
Gt.Waltham. buried 18Jan at Stebbing
Quaker burial ground
Two of
John's daughters were at Forth End which strongly suggests that the burial is
correct:
Mary
married James STOCK who was a yeoman of Forth End when he made his will in 1827
Hannah
married Simon SNOW who was probably of Lavenders at Forth End.
Forth (or
Ford) End is some miles from the village of Gt.Waltham, and if this burial is
really of John-8, it indicates that his brother Peter did not inherit Stonage
from his eldest brother.
The burial
of Hannah may be recorded at Gt.Waltham:
B 13Oct1750 the wife of John SMITH
probably
Hannah was baptised so could be buried in the parish church, but John was not
baptised, so buried with the quakers
The only
sutable burial of Elizabeth at Gt or Lt Waltham or in the quaker records is:
B 19Oct1786 Elizabeth SMITH P at
Gt.Waltham
there is no
confirmation that this is the correct burial, and it would not be expected that
she would have been a pauper, as the SMITH family were farmers and yeoman and
her son and married daughters were near by