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3 Frances Rebecca YOUNG 1856-1925

 

 

m Francis MANSFIELD 1877

 

 

 

Frances Rebecca was born in 1856 in the Oxfordshire village of Kirtlington, youngest of eight children of stonemason Thomas YOUNG and his wife Rebecca.

 

By the age of 14 she was a housemaid to the POPE family in Marylebone where her older sister Martha was cook.  She met Frank MANSFIELD, a wheelwright and carman of Bethnal Green and married him in 1877 back in Kirtlington.  They lived in Mape Street, Bethnal Green where Frank took over his father's cabbie business.  They had three known children, Alice, Frank and Helena, all born in Bethnal Green, but there is a family story of five other children who did not survive.  Frank also died young.

 

The carman's yard transferred from Mape St to Seabright St and operated continuously for 20 years until 1902.  Family tradition has it that Frank’s business was eventually ruined by his wife's addiction to drink.  The carman's trade however was increasingly competitive at this time and facing competition from omnibuses (horse-drawn) and this probably played a significant role in the end of Frank’s business.  The family moved briefly to Walthamstow where Frank continued as a cab-driver, and then to Camden Town where he returned to his old trade of wheelwright, and where daughter Alice was married.

 

Frank and Frances remained in Camden Town until Frances died of a stroke in 1925 aged 69.  Frank moved to Manor Park to live with his daughter Alice until he died in 1933.

 

Frances Rebecca was said to have been very good looking, but it is also said that she treated her two daughters cruelly.  Left in charge of the cabbie yard while her husband was working she was supposed to have flirted with the other Carmen and been casual with the money side of the business.  Later, family stories tell of her taking and pawning items such as an umbrella while visiting her daughter Alice to get money for alcohol. 

 

 

EVENTS

 

 

           age

   DATE   FY FM

 

EVENT

     1856     

 7Apr1861  4  

 2Apr1871 14  

 8Jun1877 21 23

 1Jul1879 23 25

     1880 24 26

 3Apr1881 24 26

     1884 27 29

     1888 31 33

 5Apr1891 34 36

c    1900 43 45

31Mar1901 44 46

c    1902 45 47

21Dec1902 45 47

     1903 46 48

 6Dec1925 68 70

 7Aug1933    79

born at Kirtlington, Oxford, daughter of Rebecca & Thomas, a stonemason

living with her parents and five older siblings in Kirtlington

domestic servant to the POPE household in Marylebone where her sister Martha was cook

married at Kirtlington to Frank MANSFIELD of Bethnal Green, a wheelwright

dau Alice born at 7 Mape St

son Frank born

census: at 7 Mape St with 2 children; Frank a master carman

dau Helena born

Frank listed in PO directory as carman at 1a Seabright St, Bethnal Green Rd

at 1˝ Seabright St with Frank, a master carman,  two daughters and her sister from Kirtlington

Frank gave up carman’s business and moved to Walthamstow

at Walthamstow with husband and two daughters; Frank was a cab-driver

moved to Camden Town

dau Alice married at Camden Town

Frank listed in PO directory as wheelwright at Kings Place, King St, Camden Town

Frances of 18 Hawley Crescent St Pancras died at 199 Dartmouth Park Hill from stroke

Frank, of 49 Durham Rd, died at Central Home Leytonstone

 

 

PRINCIPAL RECORDS

b=born  m=married  d=died

C=Christened        B=Buried

BIRTH

 

census returns show Frances was born in Kirtlington about 1856.  There is a suitable baptism there:

 

C 18May1856 Frances Rebecca  d Thomas  & Rebecca YOUNG, mason

 

registration of her birth however has not been found in the GRO index or by searching in the free BMD index

 

a Frances Rebecca YOUNG was born 24Dec1853 at Pewsham nr Chippenham , Wilts,

father: Frederick YOUNG, farmer; mother: Annie Maria YOUNG.  This family was not found in the 1861 census at Pewsham, but was there in 1851; Frederick was a farmer of 26 acres b Malmesbury.

It seems inconceivable that this Frances Rebecca could be the Frances of Kirtlington.

MARRIAGE

certificate

 

m 18Jun1877 at St Mary's Kirtlington OXF after banns

Francis MANSFIELD bch 23, wheelwright, Bethnal Green LND & Frances Rebecca YOUNG spr 21, of Kirtlington

f: James MANSFIELD, carman; Thomas YOUNG, mason; w: Benjamin YOUNG; Martha x YOUNG

 

DESCENDANTS

 

b 31Jul879 Alice

b     1880 Frank (from census) said to have died young

b    c1884 Helena, but known as Milly; (from daughter Florence); m Lionel SALMON who was killed in WW1

 

no christenings found; family story is of 8 children, only 2 surviving - Alice and Helena

certificate

b 31Jul1879 Alice MANSFIELD girl at 7 Mape St; f:Francis MANSFIELD carman; m:Frances Rebecca MANSFIELD formerly YOUNG

r 10Sep1879 at Church, Bethnal Green, MDX by F R MANSFIELD of 7 Mape St Bethnal Green

 

DEATH

certificates:

 

d 16Dec1925 Frances Rebecca MANSFIELD female age 69, of 18 Hawley Crescent, St.Pancras, wife of Francis MANSFIELD wheelwright

            at 199 Dartmouth Park Hill from cerebral haemorrhage certified by W M Cotter MB

r 17Dec1925 by Helena SALMON of 111 Fortess Rd, St.Pancras at North St.Pancras, LND

 

d 27Aug1933 Francis MANSFIELD male age 79, formerly wheelwright of 49 Durham Rd, East Ham

            at Central Home, Leytonstone from cystitis and carcinoma

r 28Aug1933 by T.W.SHORT son-in-law of 49 Durham Rd, Manor Park at South Leyton, West Ham, ESX

 

 

CENSUS

1861 Kirtlington Village OXF RG9/897 f?

 

Thomas     YOUNG       he mar 49  1811    stonemason        Kirtlington OXF

Rebecca    YOUNG       wi mar 44  1816                      Forest Hill OXF

Martha     YOUNG       da unm 18  1842                      Forest Hill OXF

William    YOUNG       so unm 14  1846                      Kirtlington OXF

Stephen E  YOUNG       so     12  1848    scholar           Kirtlington OXF

Thomas R   YOUNG       so     10  1850    scholar           Kirtlington OXF

John       YOUNG       so     8   1852    scholar           Kirtlington OXF

Frances R  YOUNG       da     4   1856    scholar           Kirtlington OXF

 

1871 Alma Square, Marylebone  RG10/188 f36 p64

 

Lucy      POPE    he unm 71 1800   income from dividends     Gt.Staughton HUN

Robert    POPE    br wdr 64 1807   solicitor                 Gt.Staughton HUN

Daniel    POPE    br unm 60 1811   annuitant                 Gt.Staughton HUN blind

Martha    YOUNG   se unm 27 1844   cook                      Forest Hill OXF

Frances R YOUNG   se unm 14 1857   housemaid  (se=servant)   Kirtlington  OXF

 

1881  7 Mape St Bethnal Green RG11/425 f75 p8

 

Frank      MANSFIELD   he mar 26  1854    master carman      Bethnal Green

Frances    MANSFIELD   wi mar 24  1856                       Kirtlington OXF

George     MANSFIELD   br     12  1868    scholar            Bethnal Green

Alice      MANSFIELD   da     2   1878                       Bethnal Green

Frank      MANSFIELD   so     1   1879                       Bethnal Green

John       WILLOUGHBY  lo unm 22  1858    ostler             Whitechapel

 

1891  1˝ Seabright St Bethnal Green  RG12/265/12 f88

 

Francis    MANSFIELD   he mar 37  1854    cab proprietor (groom); employer                Bethnal Green

Frances    MANSFIELD   wi mar 35  1856                                                    Kirtlington OXF

Alice      MANSFIELD   da     11  1880    scholar                                         Bethnal Green

Helena     MANSFIELD   da     9   1882    scholar                                         Bethnal Green

Martha     BADSEY      vi mar 47  1844    dressmaker; neither                             Forest Hill OXF

 

John       HARRIS      he mar 56  1835    fishmonger; neither                             Bethnal Green

Sarah      HARRIS      wi mar 48  1843                                                    Carfew {Corfu?} British subject

Agnes E    CONEY       sd sin 21  1870    general servant domestic  (sd=stepdaughter)     Shoreditch

 

Mansfield family had 4 rooms occupied; Harris family had 2 rooms

Martha BADSEY is Frances’ married sister

1901 Walthamstow Essex, 115 Clacton Rd   RG13/1623 f 41

 

Francis MANSFIELD he mar 46 1855 cab driver                   worker     London, Bethnal Green

Frances MANSFIELD wi mar 44 1857                                         Oxford, Kirtlington

Alice   MANSFIELD da sin 21 1880                                         London, Bethnal Green

Helena  MANSFIELD da sin 17 1884 upholsterer (trimming)       worker     London, Bethnal Green

 

next to: Charles 25 & Annie HOWARD 23 and son, carpenter, b New Chesterton, Cambs

also   : Maria HOMIG 56 b Germany and 2 children Arthur 27, Anna 15, both b London

 

 

 

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